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eafp668
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ADA Deadline

Post by eafp668 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:05 pm

Does SEPTA have a deadline by which all stations must be ADA-compliant, including high level platforms?

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by Clearfield » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:46 am

No.

Any major renovations to a station require high level platforms, and if you read the Capital Budget you'll see that there is a major push to make all of the busy stations on the SEPTA-owned trunk high level. In the interim, the mini high level platforms comply.

The Feds realize there's difference between unfunded mandates and unfundable mandates.
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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by eafp668 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:51 pm

Clearfield wrote:No.

Any major renovations to a station require high level platforms, and if you read the Capital Budget you'll see that there is a major push to make all of the busy stations on the SEPTA-owned trunk high level. In the interim, the mini high level platforms comply.

The Feds realize there's difference between unfunded mandates and unfundable mandates.
Interesting. It also seems strange to me that the Paoli/Thorndale Line is the busiest line yet has so few high level platforms.

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by Clearfield » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:51 pm

eafp668 wrote:Interesting. It also seems strange to me that the Paoli/Thorndale Line is the busiest line yet has so few high level platforms.
I believe that Amtrak still owns owns most of those stations, or at least the properties. Can someone chime in here?
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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by Volanova » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:06 pm

eafp668 wrote:
Clearfield wrote:No.

Any major renovations to a station require high level platforms, and if you read the Capital Budget you'll see that there is a major push to make all of the busy stations on the SEPTA-owned trunk high level. In the interim, the mini high level platforms comply.

The Feds realize there's difference between unfunded mandates and unfundable mandates.
Interesting. It also seems strange to me that the Paoli/Thorndale Line is the busiest line yet has so few high level platforms.
Not only does it have few high level platforms, but many stations are just falling apart. The stairs on the outbound platform of Rosemont are built out of 2x4s haphazardly nailed together, Narberth is standard mid 70s-late 80s terribleness, St. Davids is crumbling, the inbound roof at Villanova has open holes in it and pieces of metal that are falling down... It's like SEPTA (or whoever owns the stations) is just trying to get someone to sue them when they step through a rotten board or get knocked in the head by a falling piece of ceiling.

It really is a shame how so many of these historic buildings have been allowed to rot. Instead of repairing brick platform surfaces, they just slapped down asphalt on them. Instead of rebuilding shelters they get torn down and have a bus stop put up in their place. Luckily it looks like this trend is reversing, though.

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by eafp668 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:42 pm

Clearfield wrote:
eafp668 wrote:Interesting. It also seems strange to me that the Paoli/Thorndale Line is the busiest line yet has so few high level platforms.
I believe that Amtrak still owns owns most of those stations, or at least the properties. Can someone chime in here?
But SEPTA did the Croydon upgrade, which is on Amtrak's NEC.

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by Matthew Mitchell » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:08 pm

And SEPTA did Wayne, right?

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by eafp668 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:38 pm

I've also always found it strange that Bryn Mawr has a mini-high platform, but only on the outbound side. Anyone know why that is? Also, it's impossible to tell this from SEPTA's website.

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by BuddCar711 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:40 pm

Clearfield wrote:I believe that Amtrak still owns owns most of those stations, or at least the properties. Can someone chime in here?
Amtrak owns the trackage and catenary, SEPTA owns the stations (with the exception of Trenton and North Philadelphia).

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by jfrey40535 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:51 pm

Clearfield wrote:No.

Any major renovations to a station require high level platforms, and if you read the Capital Budget you'll see that there is a major push to make all of the busy stations on the SEPTA-owned trunk high level. In the interim, the mini high level platforms comply.

The Feds realize there's difference between unfunded mandates and unfundable mandates.

Are you sure about that Bob? Fox Chase and Langhorne saw total facilities replacements last year and they did not have HLP's installed. Somerton was replaced in the mid 90s and also did not get HLPs. I think its a misconception that HLPs are mandatory, in fact I think Jeff Knuepple confirmed that for me about 2 years ago.

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by Clearfield » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:08 am

jfrey40535 wrote:Are you sure about that Bob?
I was till you mentioned Fox Chase and Langhorne Jon. lol

Needs some research.
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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by jfrey40535 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:16 am

Agreed....

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by Clearfield » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:27 am

jfrey40535 wrote:Agreed....
WOW
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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by Volanova » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:17 pm

Matthew Mitchell wrote:And SEPTA did Wayne, right?
There was a big community effort behind Wayne, and, if I'm not mistaken, much of the funding was raised locally, especially for the station renovations. The work was done by SEPTA though.

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Re: ADA Deadline

Post by BuddSilverliner269 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:05 pm

The way I understood it, Somerton station is modular with the hopes that if it does get HLPs it will be extremely easy to do. I never understood why Byrn Mawr had the partial mini high on the outbound side only.

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