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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by Tom V » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:29 pm

Of all the proposed NJ Transit expansions projects, MOM has the most potential for ridership and benefit to commuters. But MOM, West Trenton etc.. Probably cannot be done now because there's no room for the additional riders on trains to NY pen or the PATH. The new Hudson tunnels need to be built first, thus freeing up capacity.

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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:33 pm

The Hudson River tunnels are very high on the priority list and just getting NJT back to where it should be is a must.

I've mentioned this many times, but the preferred routing that was agreed on many years ago, isn't good. That is taking the NEC to Midway Interlocking, and then taking Conrail's Shared Assets lines across Middlesex and Mommouth Counties. This routing would take a long time, not making train travel time competitive with driving or taking the busiest NJT commuter bus route in the state, the 139. If MOM were to ever get built, I would strongly suggest having it take the Coastline as far as Matawan and then reviving the old right of way serving Freehold. Even if and when Gateway happens, I doubt that residents will appreciate having tracks restored along the old right of way below Matawan(old CNJ Freehold Branch).

There's not much need for W. Trenton service. People who live along that line, especially in Mercer and lower Somerset County don't mind driving to the NEC.

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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by ApproachMedium » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:56 am

People might not mind driving to the NEC but the overcrowding of parking at hamilton princeton and metro park is getting old and so is the excess of traffic from such. There needs to be more commuting options in NJ and they need to get over this whole it has to go to NYC stuff. There are a lot more places in NJ to work than NYC and people could be taking trains or diverted to lines where it would make more sense for them.

Like why should somebody who works in Newark have to take an NEC train to work, when a raritan line train could work if there were better express and options from the west trenton corridor? What about people who work in New Brunswick? The ever increasing amount of people going to work in Philly?
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:46 pm

With the chronic delays and cancellations of trains these days as well as traffic getting to the station, people might be reluctant to take the train. Many people who live in the towns that are along lines involved in the MOM study, especially along the Rt. 9 corridor, drive to Metropark for the train. That makes sense. They are not going to drive to any station on the diesel portion of the Coastline because the ride takes way too long. They might drive to Aberdeen-Matawan but unless you get an express train, it's a little slow of a ride from there to NWK and NYC. Metropark, on the other hand, is the winner since more trains serve there, even during off peak hours. The problem with driving a distance between where you live and the train station is that if you are stuck in traffic, you might regret having to drive all of that extra distance, especially when the trains are acting up. Since this spring or summer, the NEC has been faced with NJT having to cancel many of their own trains.

Yes, it is true that not everybody who depends on public transportation is going to NWK or NYC. There might be people who live in Freehold and Lakewood who might work in New Brunswick and that's the one benefit for the preferred routing of MOM. Maybe even do a diesel light rail study connecting Freehold to New Brunswick, Princeton, and Trenton. Maybe if the Dinky is ever truncated permanently, Princeton could be on a proposed diesel light rail network connecting the large towns along Rt. 9 in Mommouth and Ocean County as well as across Central NJ.

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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by GSC » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:22 am

I know it's like beating a dead horse, but I always thought the best route would start at Ciba-Geigy in Toms River (plenty of room for a terminal and park-n-ride lot), run to Lakehurst, and then on to Farmingdale. From there, either to Red Bank or Jamesburg, and then to the NJCL. These lines exist, so I doubt the Freehold to Matawan ROW would ever be reactivated.

The NIMBYs in Jamesburg have always frustrated me. They worry their kids might get run over by trains. Well, if they can teach their kids to stay away from Route 522 and the dump trucks that run through there, they can teach their kids to stay off the tracks.

All the money that was wasted on studies for the MOM. Park in Toms River at 7 am by the Parkway and Route 37 and watch the traffic. Study complete.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by Return to Reading Company Olney Sta » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:29 pm

Or start at the Toms River Bus Terminal, can then have it as "Transportation Center". Right off Exit 81 of Parkway. The ROW of the Barnegat Branch runs directly by it and AFAIK ( been a number of years since I've been in the area) it is still clear from where the CIBA siding branches off to the bus terminal.

No real space for a yard there but the CIBA location could serve for that. Not a very long distance for deadhead moves.

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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by ApproachMedium » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:34 am

2 months ago i got caught in traffic in that jamesburg/monroe area and boy is it miserable. would be nice if there was a commuter train to get a lot of them cars off the road
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by Steampowered » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:26 pm

The parking factor is whats important . If a parking garage near 295 in trenton was built. It would be so much better for parking and ridership.

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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:20 pm

The Hamilton Station is extremely close to 295. In fact, anybody who is driving up from South Jersey is very fortunate to use that road to Hamilton Station.

I thought of this idea years ago but let NJT trains use part of the Jamesburg Branch to a large park n ride lot near where the turnpike is. This would be a short spur. The catenary poles are there. If you live in the Jamesburg and Monroe area and want trains, you are going to drive over to the NEC, either New Brunswick or Princeton Jct. It depends where you live in those towns. If and when that new station opens up in North Brunswick where Johnson & Johnson used to be, then that would be the closest station to anybody living in Jamesburg and Monroe Twp. That new station is needed in North Brunswick as well as moving the yard there. Jersey Ave is a poorly designed station.

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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by Backshophoss » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:24 pm

This is a "backburner" project NOW and will be untill NJT gets it's act back together,ACSES project DONE and the FRA is happy!
The "Christe" admin did a lot of Damage to NJT and IS NOW paying the price,it will take years to undo what was done by that admin!
NJT was forced to shut down the ACL line and the dinky to keep every thing else running on the Rail side,that needs to brought back
online BEFORE any service expansion!
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:16 am

Wait until after all projects related to Gateway gets done. If NJT wants to build MOM, either build it right or don’t build it at all. Maybe for those people heading from nyc, the best idea would involve reactivating the old CNJ Branch from Matawan.

If they want to build anything that involves using the NEC, then they can build a suburb to suburb operation from maybe New Brunswick or just have a light rail diesel operation.

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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by kilroy » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:30 pm

But a light rail system would require changing trains and that is a no-no in the one seat ride world we live in today (God forbid anyone burn an extra calorie walking to another train).
Why do we drive on parkways and park in driveways?

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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by R&DB » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:45 am

In the 25 or so years since this MOM idea has been around, the traffic has gotten worse each year on the major north - south corridors through the 3 counties. Let's look at each corridor and the commuter traffic patterns:

Turnpike - US1 - US130
Already fairly well served by NJT and Amtrak in New Brunswick and Metropark, additional service from North and South Brunswicks may relieve some congestion. But this really does't belong in MOM, rather the NEC.

US9 - NJ18
The real meat of MOM. From Toms River to Old Bridge US9 is overloaded with commuters and buses every weekday morning and evening. In Old Bridge NJ18 splits off to the New Brunswick area diverting some (30%?) traffic off US9. The majority of this flow is from Lakewood north. Many of the commuter cars go to Metropark or other park and ride facilities. Not many commuters from this area drive into NYC, they park and take public transportation. Other commuters whose destinations are such as Newark, Jersey City or Hoboken could also benfit from MOM. The idea is to get these people out of their cars and onto rail as far south as possible. They are already using the NEC and/or PATH if they are going into NYC, so no new tunnel capacity is needed for this group of commuters. The argument that the tunnels are the only thing holding back MOM is not true. Only when MOM attracts additional commuters through growth after it is built. The current commuter base can be accomodated but may require a change of trains for some commuters.

Parkway
Lots of traffic on this corridor! From Toms River to Red Bank, there is almost no alternative. There are many who drive from this area to park and rides further north. THe NJCL serves fairly well from Red Bank north, but rail commute times from south of Long Branch are not desirable. If these commuters had another choice, MOM might be an alternative.

So which MOM route(s) should be built? What are the benefits from each route?

The 'preferred route' Lakehurst - Lakewood - Farmingdale - Freehold - Jamesburg - NEC
This would probably garner the most ridership. It is also the longest and therefore the slowest for commuters below Freehold.

The 'Matawan route' Lakehurst - Lakewood - Farmingdale - Freehold - Matawan - NJCL - NEC
Good ridership potential and probably a little quicker than the Jamesburg routing.

The 'Red Bank route' Lakehurst - Lakewood - Farmingdale - Red Bank - NJCL - NEC
Fastest route for commuters below Farmingdale. Least cost to inaugurate.

So which MOM route(s) should be built? All of them! But with some modifications:
The 'preferred route' should have its southern terminus at Farmingdale or Lakewood.
The 'Matawan route' should have its southern terminus at Farmingdale or Lakewood.
The 'Red Bank route' should have its southern terminus at Toms River.

Unfortunately none of MOM will get built until NJT gets it's house in order and the Federal and State governments invest in rail transportation infrastructure.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by R&DB » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:32 am

One more reason MOM will probably never be built: Commute Time. To be competitive commute times have to be comparible or shorter than car or bus time. To do that MOM would have to be built to FRA Class 4 to achieve the speeds necessary. The cost of this would probably exceed $3 million PER MILE just for the railbed and rails. Add to that crossing protection, signaling, communications, stations, parking lots, etc. Monmouth Junction to Lakehurst (the preferred route) is about 35 miles. All included the non-rolling infrastructure cost will probably exceed $1 billion. Not cost effectivebut would be nice to have.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Post by andegold » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:52 am

$1 billion in todays money and carrying the volume of passengers that it will sounds like a bargain compared to the cost of RiverLine however many years ago that was built.

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