Matt Johnson wrote:(Are the ML-IIs still restricted to 90?)No
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Matt Johnson wrote:(Are the ML-IIs still restricted to 90?)No
Plans call for NJ Transit to replace all of it’s single level rail cars by 2020 with multi-level cars which have capacity to haul more people, Lavell said. Doing that will allow NJ Transit to decrease the total number of rail cars it owns from 1,124 to 1,050 cars by 2020, but increase the number of available seats by 6 percent, hesaid.It looks like double decker MUs are still on the horizon. By the way, when is the last time someone saw a 12 car double decker consist?
A 12 car train of single level Arrow III cars has 1,380 seats while a 12 car multi-level train has 1,522 seats, he said.
A similar plan for the bus operation would replace the current 40-foot-long cruiser buses in service with 45-foot-long buses which would provide 8 more seats per bus, and increase over all seating capacity by 7 percent when the cruiser bus fleet is replaced, Martin said.
Both strategies are intended to address projected increases in trans-Hudson ridership to and from New York, where the aging Port Authority Bus Terminal and Penn Station are at capacity.
“It’s a factor in how to deal with a bus terminal that’s at capacity,” Martin said. “We’re seeking to balance ridership demands with the most efficient bus.”
On the rail side, officials hope to replace the current five different types of rail cars now in the fleet with two types by 2040, both of which would be multi-level cars, Lavell said. Still to be designed is a self powered multi-level car which would replace the aging Arrow III electric cars.
Plans call for retiring 176 single level rail cars by 2020 and replacing them with 113 multi-levels, Lavell said. In addition to increasing seating capacity, the multi-level cars also travel five times more miles between break downs than single level cars do, he said.
“It’s an important project,” said Bruce Meisel, board vice chairman “This is the future of rail and bus.”
trainbrain wrote: Also, would this include replacing the Metro North Comet 5's on the Port Jervis Line? Those will probably be the last to go as they won't even be 20 years old by 2020. I would assume that if these are replaced, they will end up getting transferred to Metro North East of Hudson, or sold to another railroad as they have plenty of life in them. The Metro North Shoreliner fleet is getting old, and I could see them picking up some ex-NJT Comet 5's to replace some of the older Shoreliners if they are replaced with Multilevels on NJT.I recall reading somewhere that there is clearance issues with them in Grand Central due to the low lying signals, so they won't be used on the east side of the Hudson.
mvb119 wrote:Nope. They are doing MLV clearance test scoping work right now and will relocate those GCT signals that are currently a problem (on some platforms, not others). The MTA just released its fleet plan for LIRR and MNRR a few weeks ago. All coaches--MNRR Shoreliners and LIRR's wonky C3's--will be replaced by 2025 with MLV's. As will all LIRR + MNRR dual-mode locos be replaced by a new unified order.trainbrain wrote: Also, would this include replacing the Metro North Comet 5's on the Port Jervis Line? Those will probably be the last to go as they won't even be 20 years old by 2020. I would assume that if these are replaced, they will end up getting transferred to Metro North East of Hudson, or sold to another railroad as they have plenty of life in them. The Metro North Shoreliner fleet is getting old, and I could see them picking up some ex-NJT Comet 5's to replace some of the older Shoreliners if they are replaced with Multilevels on NJT.I recall reading somewhere that there is clearance issues with them in Grand Central due to the low lying signals, so they won't be used on the east side of the Hudson.
sammy2009 wrote: and another thing aren't there some lines on NJTRANSIT where the MLV's dont run due to weight and height restriction or something ? I thought i read it somewhere awhile back.MLVs can't run to Bay Head. But I'm sure NJT has a plan to address this by the time the fleet would go all-MLV.
sammy2009 wrote:I think this is pretty cool. But im gonna be crying like a baby when the comets and arrows are gone. Since my first time riding NJTRANSIT was on one of the comets and arrows its just the normal for me. I Love how they have like three types of fleets. Since they want to use MLV's on ALL LINES ? I GUESS THE AC LINE Will see them also ? , and another thing aren't there some lines on NJTRANSIT where the MLV's dont run due to weight and height restriction or something ? I thought i read it somewhere awhile back.Don't forget. They are ordering new EMU's. "MLV" in this context only means that all coaches and all EMU's are going to be the same bi-level dimensions and roughly the same seating configuration...not that the entire fleet is going push-pull and being replaced by one and only one type of car. Your putative Arrow IV's are just going to look like MLV's with a pantograph on the roof: http://www.railroad.net/forums/download ... hp?id=5525" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
DutchRailnut wrote:they weigh less than an engine and are only 14'6" height which is less than most njt engines ?On one hand this is a good point from a nominal perspective. On the other hand, your duty cycle on the track is going to go way up because the average weight per each axle is going to go way up. We would have to prove that we're reducing axle count to make up from the additional wear.