Moynihan station

Discussion related to New Jersey Transit rail and light rail operations.

Moderators: Tadman, nick11a, ACeInTheHole, Kaback9

EuroStar
Posts: 738
Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:26 pm
Location: Middle of Nowhere

Re: Moynihan station

Post by EuroStar » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:56 am

Tom V wrote:Say what you will about Cuomo, but New York has been on a building spree. New Jersey hasn't done big infrastructure in a long time.
NJ is broke and can hardly afford to maintain what they have already got.

LIRR is also the wrong tenant for Moynihan as the station sits on the west side while LIRR trains come from the east. Maximization of train throughput would have put NJT in Moynihan (with one LIRR and one NJT train turning on the same long platform and track at the same time), but of course Moynihan is a shiny mall that Cuomo wants to be able to point to for election purposes, capacity increase be damned.

kilroy
Posts: 911
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:51 am
Location: Central Jersey

Re: Moynihan station

Post by kilroy » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:53 pm

No surprise there. All the PR releases talked about was grandeur with no mention of function.
Why do we drive on parkways and park in driveways?

SecaucusJunction
Posts: 3082
Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:40 pm
Location: NS Watchdog

Re: Moynihan station

Post by SecaucusJunction » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:53 pm

Just because Moynihan isn't marked as NJT, doesn't mean you can't wait for your train there...….
I think it may be possible that NJ Transit might not be the perfect, infallible organization that most people assume it is.

User avatar
JamesRR
Posts: 405
Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:31 pm

Re: Moynihan station

Post by JamesRR » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:19 pm

Moyhnihan will be primarily an Amtrak space, easing the masses out of the cramp existing Penn upper concourse. Which will then free it up for the commuter crowds.

Theoretically anyone can access any of the tracks that Moyhnihan will have stairs to, regardless of railroad - but I think officially only Amtrak and LIRR will have departure boards. As is the case with the WEC, there will be no NJT boards.

SecaucusJunction
Posts: 3082
Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:40 pm
Location: NS Watchdog

Re: Moynihan station

Post by SecaucusJunction » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:09 pm

Tracks 1-4 won't have staircases, but when the track is posted, you could easily walk to those tracks, if necessary. Use Departurevision.
I think it may be possible that NJ Transit might not be the perfect, infallible organization that most people assume it is.

EuroStar
Posts: 738
Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:26 pm
Location: Middle of Nowhere

Re: Moynihan station

Post by EuroStar » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:20 pm

The point is not about accessing the tracks from Moynihan or the WEC. The point is that on the two longest platforms you can stop two trains on each track for 4 trains per platform. This will be especially relevant once most NYP bound LIRR trains lose 2 cars due to the opening of ESA. While you could stop two LIRR trains that way, they both need to go back to LI to the east. If you stopped one from the east (LIRR) and one from the west (NJT) they could both leave at the same time. That increases the platform utilization substantially with minimal passenger confusion. Of course, signals and operating procedures will need to be modified, but it is vastly cheaper than Penn South. Two trains per track per platform (on the long platforms) is done even now, typically with an NJT train and an Acela or Keystone, but only in "emergencies" when something has gone wrong and they need to keep the trains moving. Why does this matter? Because with the new Hudson Tunnels you will eventually get more capacity into NYP, but you will not be able to add more trains from the west because NYP will the the choke point then, not the tunnels as it is now.

jlr3266
Posts: 549
Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:32 am

Re: Moynihan station

Post by jlr3266 » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:52 am

Except no LIRR trains will be shortened after ESA opens.

User avatar
JamesRR
Posts: 405
Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:31 pm

Re: Moynihan station

Post by JamesRR » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:29 pm

SecaucusJunction wrote:Tracks 1-4 won't have staircases, but when the track is posted, you could easily walk to those tracks, if necessary. Use Departurevision.
Accessing tracks 1-4 is not that easy - one needs to go down track 5/6, walk east to the first exit concourse stairway, then go up, and then over and back down. Doable but not convenient.

There are plans to create access to tracks 1-4 but they require some significant modifications in the area. If the Penn South project ever happened, those platforms would be lengthened, making it even easier to connect. But because WEC is not marketed as NJT access, I don't see tracks 1-4 being connected anytime soon.

EuroStar
Posts: 738
Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:26 pm
Location: Middle of Nowhere

Re: Moynihan station

Post by EuroStar » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:51 am

To my great surprise some of the screens in the West End Concourse have been modified to show NJT departures. It is a minor thing, but certainly a move in the right direction.

jamesinclair
Posts: 2244
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:22 pm

Re: Moynihan station

Post by jamesinclair » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:10 pm

EuroStar wrote:To my great surprise some of the screens in the West End Concourse have been modified to show NJT departures. It is a minor thing, but certainly a move in the right direction.
This is good news!

User avatar
JamesRR
Posts: 405
Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:31 pm

Re: Moynihan station

Post by JamesRR » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:17 pm

EuroStar wrote:To my great surprise some of the screens in the West End Concourse have been modified to show NJT departures. It is a minor thing, but certainly a move in the right direction.
I noticed this too! The southern most "pillar" in the center of the floor has NJT and Amtrak departures on it. I guess they figured LIRR trains aren't on those tracks so made more sense to post NJT trains on them.

Tom V
Posts: 660
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:40 pm

Re: Moynihan station

Post by Tom V » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:46 pm

Will NJ Transit take over Amtrak's currently area in Penn when the new Moynihan part opens? If so have they discussed any plans for renovation?

I remember during early stages of the Moynihan project it was NJ Transit that was to be the tenant.

andrewjw
Posts: 430
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:48 am

Re: Moynihan station

Post by andrewjw » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:59 pm

NJ Transit did not contribute to the Moynihan project - not even enough to build the (oddly shaped) connector for tracks 1-4 - so they will not see benefits from this project. Amtrak will keep their current space (probably closing it for renovations) in addition to the new shared Amtrak/LIRR space.

User avatar
JamesRR
Posts: 405
Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:31 pm

Re: Moynihan station

Post by JamesRR » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:03 am

andrewjw wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:59 pm
Amtrak will keep their current space (probably closing it for renovations) in addition to the new shared Amtrak/LIRR space.
I haven't heard anything about what will happen to Amtrak's existing space - was this reported anywhere? Amtrak will be moving passenger operations to the new Farley building, including baggage handling. Not sure why they'd want to have two facilities for passengers. I agree NJT should take over the existing Amtrak space, renovate it and use it in conjunction with the overcrowded 7 Ave concourse.

Ken W2KB
Posts: 5765
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:27 pm
Location: Lebanon Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey & Tiverton, RI USA

Re: Moynihan station

Post by Ken W2KB » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:59 pm

JamesRR wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:03 am
andrewjw wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:59 pm
Amtrak will keep their current space (probably closing it for renovations) in addition to the new shared Amtrak/LIRR space.
I haven't heard anything about what will happen to Amtrak's existing space - was this reported anywhere? Amtrak will be moving passenger operations to the new Farley building, including baggage handling. Not sure why they'd want to have two facilities for passengers. I agree NJT should take over the existing Amtrak space, renovate it and use it in conjunction with the overcrowded 7 Ave concourse.
"The plan, officials said, is to build out the congested concourse into waiting areas currently occupied by Amtrak and Long Island Rail Road riders (they are moving from the subterranean station to the more spacious Moynihan Station across Eighth Avenue)." https://www.politico.com/states/new-jer ... her-852613 https://www.nj.com/traffic/2019/02/nj-c ... oject.html
~Ken :: Fairmont ex-UP/MP C436 MT-14M1 ::
Black River Railroad Historical Trust :: [/url]

Return to “New Jersey Transit NJT Rail and Light Rail LRT”