ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by ACeInTheHole » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:05 am

srock1028 wrote:
Fan Railer wrote:
sixty-six wrote:
Fan Railer wrote:Had 4506 shoving a 10 car ML set on the NEC recently. Topped out at 88-89 mph running east towards NY on the fast part of the Corridor.
Which is what it's supposed to be doing.
MAS for the MLs is still 90?
Yes, same with the ALP-45's.
Oh by the way, just like some other people on here, I will no longer be posting all of the factual information as I've done in the past. Look at what happened in the NJCL Bay Head Express thread and thank two of the posters in there for it.
That sucks.. But it is understandable. Why post facts if idiots like that will act like they know better? Ok then.

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by F40 » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:25 am

ACeInTheHole wrote:
srock1028 wrote:
Fan Railer wrote:
sixty-six wrote:
Fan Railer wrote:Had 4506 shoving a 10 car ML set on the NEC recently. Topped out at 88-89 mph running east towards NY on the fast part of the Corridor.
Which is what it's supposed to be doing.
MAS for the MLs is still 90?
Yes, same with the ALP-45's.
Oh by the way, just like some other people on here, I will no longer be posting all of the factual information as I've done in the past. Look at what happened in the NJCL Bay Head Express thread and thank two of the posters in there for it.
That sucks.. But it is understandable. Why post facts if idiots like that will act like they know better? Ok then.
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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by srock1028 » Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:14 pm

Sorry, I have to correct something...
No, MAS for the MLs is 100MPH. MAS for the ALP-45's is 90.
Ok, that was my last post for a while...

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by philipmartin » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:47 pm

I was in Long Branch a little while ago and No. 2307 came in with an Alp 45 head out, pants up. I guess he ran it AC all the way from Hoboken to Long Branch, if they can. I don't know where they switch from the Hoboken 25,000 volts to the Amtrak 12,000.

Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't noticed a 45 on a Hoboken Bay Head train before.
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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by philipmartin » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:53 pm

train2 wrote:For someone outside the Transit area, and who doesn't watch this board daily, how are these dual powered loco working out? Any major issues?
My impression is that they are running as intended; Transit got what it paid for. I don't know that much about them either.

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by Fan Railer » Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:15 am

philipmartin wrote:I was in Long Branch a little while ago and No. 2307 came in with an Alp 45 head out, pants up. I guess he ran it AC all the way from Hoboken to Long Branch, if they can. I don't know where they switch from the Hoboken 25,000 volts to the Amtrak 12,000.

Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't noticed a 45 on a Hoboken Bay Head train before.
They'd switch where every other train from hoboken to the NEC switches voltages; on the hudson connection west of the meadowlands interlockings and east of hudson interlockings, and by kearny interlockings: https://www.flickr.com/photos/120115439 ... /lightbox/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


In another note, I didn't realize how loud these things were in the hot summer heat in electric mode. The motor blowers are so much louder than on the 46s that its enough to fool me for a few seconds into considering the possibility that one of the diesels might be on, even though that makes no sense in this situation (pan up) or temperature (it's high 90s, and the diesels run hot as it is): http://youtu.be/ZeykqnEgTYU?t=2m15s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by philipmartin » Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:54 am

Fan Railer wrote: They'd switch where every other train from hoboken to the NEC switches voltages; on the hudson connection west of the meadowlands interlockings and east of hudson interlockings, and by kearny interlockings:

Thank you for the solid information. I worked both Hudson and Karny towers, but hudson connection and meadowlands interlockings are new terms for me.

In another note, I didn't realize how loud these things were in the hot summer heat in electric mode.
I think the diesels were running. When I see them at Middletown, NJ, only in electric mode, (have they gotten to Middletown, NY yet?,) they sound the same as Alp46s. The one on 2307 yesterday had the diesel running before he dropped the pantograph.

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by CNJGeep » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:29 am

philipmartin wrote:I was in Long Branch a little while ago and No. 2307 came in with an Alp 45 head out, pants up. I guess he ran it AC all the way from Hoboken to Long Branch, if they can. I don't know where they switch from the Hoboken 25,000 volts to the Amtrak 12,000.

Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't noticed a 45 on a Hoboken Bay Head train before.

2305 and 2307 run with ALPs on Fridays and getaway days days. Yesterday 2305 ran with 4530 in E-Mode from Hoboken to Long Branch. Perhaps 2307 did too.
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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by Fan Railer » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:29 pm

philipmartin wrote:
Fan Railer wrote: They'd switch where every other train from hoboken to the NEC switches voltages; on the hudson connection west of the meadowlands interlockings and east of hudson interlockings, and by kearny interlockings:

Thank you for the solid information. I worked both Hudson and Karny towers, but hudson connection and meadowlands interlockings are new terms for me.

In another note, I didn't realize how loud these things were in the hot summer heat in electric mode.
I think the diesels were running. When I see them at Middletown, NJ, only in electric mode, (have they gotten to Middletown, NY yet?,) they sound the same as Alp46s. The one on 2307 yesterday had the diesel running before he dropped the pantograph.
During the mode change, there is always a little bit of overlap time where the pan is up and the diesels are on; that way, HEP doesn't shut off during the change. However, in the video I shot at Chatham, the 4500 is clearly operating with the Pan up on train 852, and will continue to operate in electric until Dover, where it will change over to diesel to complete the journey. That is why I'm wondering if that loud wirring sound is really the motor blowers, or if it is, for some reason, coming from one of the diesels in the engine, which I would figure to be unlikely.

However, if it is because one or both of the diesels are idling, I'd be curious as to know why they would be doing this.

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by philipmartin » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:37 am

philipmartin wrote: In another note, I didn't realize how loud these things were in the hot summer heat in electric mode.
I think the diesels were running. When I see them at Middletown, NJ, only in electric mode, (have they gotten to Middletown, NY yet?,) they sound the same as Alp46s. The one on 2307 yesterday had the diesel running before he dropped the pantograph.[/quote]

I saw the 4501 standing on track 2 in New York today after it came in with 5170. The blower was making a hell of a lot of noise. It can't have been the diesel or we would all have been asphyxiated.
Later in the day, the blower(s?) on the Alp 45 that brought me back were making a racket, pulling the train out of Annandale.

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by CNJ Fan 4evr » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:57 am

I have seen at least five different ones on RV line in past week. 4501,4505,4524,4526,4528. I was between Westfield and High Bridge between 10-2. I must say they are about as ugly an engine I have ever seen.

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by chuchubob » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:26 am

45-DP's were out and about last Saturday.
4502 on train 7818
4534 on train 7331
4527 on train 7333
4513 on train 7249

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by Teeman1770 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:36 am

4505 passed by this morning, 8/2, at 9:25 pushing south past the Bradley Beach yard. Interesting machine at the Jersey Shore.

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by zerovanity59 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:48 am

This may have answered before, but I do not want to read over 400 posts. How long does it take to change modes? Do they have to stop to do so? Does this cause them to hold at a stop for a longer time than otherwise?

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Re: ALP-45-DP Usage/Service Patterns

Post by srock1028 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:41 pm

zerovanity59 wrote:This may have answered before, but I do not want to read over 400 posts. How long does it take to change modes? Do they have to stop to do so? Does this cause them to hold at a stop for a longer time than otherwise?
1-2 minutes. Yes they are stopped at stations where the train would dwell for 1-2 minutes with a regular engine so no time is lost.
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