NYSW Passenger Service Restoration

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Post by BlockLine_4111 » Mon May 03, 2004 3:40 pm

Campbell Hall to Warwick
I figured that would be 20-30 minutes. Why so slow @ 60 mins ?

Warwick to Sparta
I figured 35 mins. or less.

Sparta to Butler
I figured 35 mins. or less.

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Post by BlockLine_4111 » Mon May 03, 2004 3:44 pm

So PJ - Hoboken via the L&HR/NYS&W would take 4-5 hrs. one way ?
That's 2x the time it takes via the current routing.

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Post by MickD » Mon May 03, 2004 3:57 pm

I've gotta' agree.I think Newfoundland makes the most sense at this point.
Considering that Tech Society is using Butler yard,from what I understand
as I have been back for awhile & I don't reside in N.NJ these days,there's
still room for trainset with what was left from MCC days,that might make this the best case scenario.The customer base from this point east has been there for years.Question,just how involved with Hawthorne -
Hackensack restoration is NJ Transit??Is their lack of involvement
the reason H-H came to fruition?

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Post by cjvrr » Mon May 03, 2004 4:09 pm

Block,

NS does not keep the track north of Warwick in the best of condition. Conrail was the same way. They only serve a few customers on that line, and no real incentive to help the NYS&W "compete". It has always been a problem. The line is jointed rail too.

Similar problem exists with the line west of Port Jervis to Binghamton. NS has very little traffic west of Port, so they maintain it to the minimum standards.

The travel time from Sparta to Butler is high due to the grade out of Sparta and all the curves in the track. I believe track speed right now is 25 mph in that section, which should go up a little with the tie replacements being done right now.

Chris

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Post by BlockLine_4111 » Mon May 03, 2004 4:26 pm

NS is a joke, they ought to spin the Tier (Bingo to PJ segment) off to the NYS&W. Too bad there isn't a whole lot of sizeable freight to go 'round anymore.

I'd like to see concrete ties and heavy welded rail all the way from Port Jervis down through Vernon, Sparta, and into Hawthorne.

njt4172

Post by njt4172 » Mon May 03, 2004 4:54 pm

CSX is much more of a joke! What is your point??

CSX= Can't Schedule eXpedited transportation

CSX= Chicken sh*t eXpress

CSX=Constipated Stricken Xpress

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Post by DutchRailnut » Mon May 03, 2004 5:02 pm

can you spell "rethoric".
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If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

Retired Triebfahrzeugführer. I am not a moderator.

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Post by BlockLine_4111 » Mon May 03, 2004 8:29 pm

How come they do not run the SeaLand superstacks on the "Q" anymore ?
When did they disappear, where did they go ?

njt4172

Post by njt4172 » Tue May 04, 2004 6:09 am

Most of that traffic was picked up by NS/CSX about a year after the Conrail takeover. A small portion of those containers are now trucked!

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Post by cjvrr » Tue May 04, 2004 7:41 am

Block,

Sealand was owned by CSX. With the breakup of Conrail, and the new crossover installed at CP-5, NYS&W was cut out of hauling this traffic. They still do the switching of the yard though. Sealand does no exist as an independent anymore, having been sold to Maersk, ergo Maersk Sealand.

The Hyunadai and other stack traffic went to NS, which also happened when the contracts ran out within a year or two of the CR split.

The last transcon traffic to go was the autorack train, which also went to CSX.

I believe these were the main reasons Mr. Rich had NS and CSX buy into the company. Their assimilation of CR doomed the NYS&W's long distance traffic.

Also, there was a post on the NY forum from Idiot Railfan that an NS inspection train (probably the GEO train) ran the Tier between Binghamton and Port Jervis and that hints were made that it is in anticipation of sending intermodal freight down that line. One can only hope.

Just as a follow up I saw the SU-99 last night. He went west through Butler at 8:50 pm. Reported clear of Sparta at 9:50pm. Two engines and 21 cars doing track speed. So that confirms the 50-60 minutes between those two points.

Chris

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Post by BlockLine_4111 » Tue May 04, 2004 1:06 pm

I still say the solution is Port Jervis to Hawthorne and then to Hoboken via the Main Line. Signaling, concrete ties, ribbon rail, and Acela like tilto-coaches should make the running time less than 3 hours.

Irish Chieftain

Post by Irish Chieftain » Tue May 04, 2004 2:31 pm

And how much does that capital bill come to with all of that stuff...? Heck, Amtrak can't even get what it needs to finish the Acela project on the NEC out of Congress (who actually stiffed Amtrak for what, some $2½-million or so relating to Acela improvements).

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Post by MickD » Tue May 04, 2004 6:41 pm

Realistically,I can see 1or 2 DMU trainsets to Secaucus to start out with.I don't think anyone doubts there's a market for more than that,but with the current climate I don't know.But just to get it going they might start with those or with any luck one more set.

Irish Chieftain

Post by Irish Chieftain » Tue May 04, 2004 8:26 pm

Secaucus will never serve as a terminus, IIRC.

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Post by MickD » Wed May 05, 2004 5:27 am

Hoboken actually would be prefereable&there is room to layover 2 sets of these.If these DMU's do work out there's a lot of options for these in Jersey.I suggested Secaucus only because with a DMU7maybe a Comet
cab car it could pull in &just run back to Newfoundland for a mid morning
ealy afternoon trip back in quickly.

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