Hurricane Sandy

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by Steve F45 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:58 pm

new bridge landing/north hackensack station lot on the pvl is now a temporary substation for pse&g.

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by isaksenj » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:17 pm

American-rails.com's facebook page has an interesting bird's eye view of Hoboken Terminal Island, as it were:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fb ... =1&theater
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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by morris&essex4ever » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:59 pm

lirr42 wrote:WNBC says NJ Transit service will remain suspended through Tuesday due to the storm. Nothing official yet.
It's official now: http://www.njtransit.com/hp/hp_servlet. ... HomePageTo
NJ TRANSIT Bus, Rail, Light Rail and Access Link services will remain suspended Tuesday, October 30, due to the significant impacts of Hurricane Sandy. Check back for updates. MORE INFORMATION
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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by WelshPete » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:48 am

Greetings from the UK. Just heard the following statement on TV...

Superstorm Sandy..

Breaking news from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie regarding damage to rail service......

"NJ Transit service remains suspended throughout the day today, later today NJT will begin assessing the status of the system and testing critical infastructure before any decision made on potential resumption of service. There is major damage on each one of NJTs railway lines. Large sections of track washed out on Jersey Coast Line. Numerous power lines and trees have fallen on lines across the state. Several rail bridges damaged by storm surge, including boats and other debris lodged on railroad tracks. NJT rail station hubs at Hoboken, Secaucus and Newark Penn station have been impacted significantly by flooding. NJTs rail operation complex at Cargnie (?) is fully surrounded by flood waters that came during the hight of the storm"

Hopefully NJT will be back on its feet again soon, I'll be watching progress with interest. To everybody affected, I also hope you have come through safe and well

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by pumpers » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:57 am

WelshPete wrote:NJTs rail operation complex at Cargnie (?) is fully surrounded by flood waters that came during the hight of the storm"
I suppose "Cargnie" means Kearny? JS

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by pumpers » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:28 am

MIghty quiet here considering the scale of the damage. I guess most of us don't have any power for internet etc..
JS
EDIT: some news (not good): "NJ Transit Suffered Unprecedented Devastation" from http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... er_default
NJT Commissioner Simpson said "early inspections revealed two tug boats collided with the North Jersey Coast Line's Raritan River Draw Bridge about 4:15 a.m...
Three boats and two cargo containers collided with the Coast Line's Moran Drawbridge over the Cheesequake Creek at about 4:40 a.m. Two boats are also resting atop the bridge. ...
Washouts were reported along the along the Line and at Kearny Junction."

I wonder if by washouts he just means under water, or really washouts. On the good side, driving on a bridge over the NEC at Princeton junction at 10:00 AM this morning, I saw the signals were illuminated and what looked like some kind of small train (an inspection train?) on the tracks.

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by loufah » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:27 pm

Just saw footage of the pretty well flooded Brooklyn Battery Tunnel. Do the rail tunnels have floodgates?

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by pumpers » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:50 pm

more grim news: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/1 ... ss_st.html
"Transportation officials said rail cars washed on to the Turnpike near Exit 12 in Carteret." (not NJ Transit but you can imagine how bad the Coast line is).

From the same site: " Lavallette, Ortley Beach and Seaside Park were largely leveled by the storm surge.... There are houses in the middle of Route 35"
Sounds very bad for the Bay Head yard (about 5 miles from Lavallette), not to mention all the houses and businesses and residents. JS

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by pumpers » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:04 pm

Yet another grim site: http://www.app.com/viewart/20121030/NJN ... rontpage|s
"“At this point, there is no reasonable estimate of when we can return to service, even in a limited capacity,” said John Durso Jr, NJ Transit spokesman. ..... At one point, storm-driven waters washed over the decks of both bridges, which are 20 feet from the water’s surface under normal conditions"
ALso pictures of a boat on Morgan Drawbridge and a bad washout nearby. JS

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by JasW » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:33 pm

This is a complete disaster for the Coast line.
TRENTON — NJ Transit officials said they can’t estimate when full service will return, even on a limited basis, after infrastructure across the state took a pounding from Hurricane Sandy, including several boats that collided with two drawbridges on the North Jersey Coast Line.

“At this point, there is no reasonable estimate of when we can return to service, even in a limited capacity,” said John Durso Jr, NJ Transit spokesman.

* * *

Among the worst damage to the rail system: two tugboats collided with the North Jersey Coast Line’s Raritan River drawbridge at approximately 4:15 a.m. this morning.

The extent of damage to the bridge is unknown and is being investigated, Durso said.

Three boats and two cargo containers collided with the North Jersey Coast Line’s Morgan drawbridge over the Cheesequake Creek at approximately 4:40 a.m. this morning and left two boats resting atop the bridge. The extent of damage is unknown.

At one point, storm-driven waters washed over the decks of both bridges, which are 20 feet from the water’s surface under normal conditions, Durso said.

Other damage includes storm washouts along the North Jersey Coast Line, as well as at Kearny Junction, a critical link where MidTOWN Direct service joins the Northeast Corridor line to New York City.

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NJ Transit bridges struck by boats, major damage from Sandy

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One of two boats which were washed on to NJ
Transit's Morgan drawbridge on the North Jersey
Coast Line by Hurricane Sandy. / Photo courtesy
of NJ Transit

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Flood waters driven by Hurricane Sandy washed
out NJ Transit track on the North Jersey Coast
Line, near the Morgan Drawbridge in Middlesex
County. / Photo courtesy of NJ Transit

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by Olton Hall » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:30 pm

Wow, thanks for posting those app photos and article. That will take some time to repair.

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by 25Hz » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:38 pm

Well, we all knew this could be a really devastating storm, and that it was.

To all NJT folks reading this be safe out there, I know you'll do your best to fix the problems at hand quickly and confidently.
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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by Matt Johnson » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:58 pm

Olton Hall wrote:Wow, thanks for posting those app photos and article. That will take some time to repair.
Based on the rate of progress in rebuilding the Lackawanna Cutoff, restoring these rail lines could take 50 years or more!

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by airman00 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:04 pm

I'm using someone else's computer since my power is out. It is bad out there lots of power outages and lots of trees down. Heard about NJT's damages, it looks about as bad as they expected, if not worse. The govenor said all of NJT's line sustained major damage. Anyone know what kind of damage the PVL got?

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Re: Hurricane issues and recovery time

Post by morris&essex4ever » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:34 pm

Matt Johnson wrote:
Olton Hall wrote:Wow, thanks for posting those app photos and article. That will take some time to repair.
Based on the rate of progress in rebuilding the Lackawanna Cutoff, restoring these rail lines could take 50 years or more!
So they can become dedicated 220 mph HSR lines? :P
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