Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by Head-end View » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:01 pm

New York would do well to take a page out of the Washington D.C. Metro's book on how to intelligently connect major airports and the Downtown areas for the convenience of the riding public. Philadelphia and Chicago are also good examples of the right way to do it.

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by Kilo Echo » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:05 am

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by ExCon90 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:47 pm

Actually, most places that have rail access at all seem to have done better: Denver, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco--Los Angeles maybe not so much, no one-seat ride from downtown there.

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by MickD » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:51 pm

Boston too has Blue Line directly to State Street & Washington Ave..

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by Rockingham Racer » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:57 pm

MickD wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:51 pm
Boston too has Blue Line directly to State Street & Washington Ave..

But only after a bus ride from the terminal.

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by #5 - Dyre Ave » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:57 pm

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Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:01 pm
New York would do well to take a page out of the Washington D.C. Metro's book on how to intelligently connect major airports and the Downtown areas for the convenience of the riding public. Philadelphia and Chicago are also good examples of the right way to do it.
SEPTA’s Airport Line in Philadelphia runs only once every 30 minutes between the Airport and Temple University. Not nearly as frequently as the ‘L’ or DC’s Metro. Though it does connect well with University City and Center City.

It really is shameful and pathetic just how much we capitulate to NIMBYs in this city. LaGuardia needs a convenient rail connection to Midtown and the 7 Line needs relief. The LGA AirTrain will do neither. Didn’t the CTA in Chicago tell NIMBYs to go pound sand and take the property required to build a new flyover junction between three of its lines (Red, Purple and Brown)? Why can’t we do the same with the NIMBYs who stopped the N extension 20 years ago? Or at least make more of an attempt to work with the community?

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by GirlOnTheTrain » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:07 am

A few weeks ago a passenger was absolutely appalled when I told him there was no airtrain to LGA and that he would need to take the M60 bus. (I was working on the upper Lexington line)
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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by Jeff Smith » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:11 am

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by Roadgeek Adam » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:03 pm

The two times I did bus to LGA (same trip), my father and I did Junction Blvd to Q72 and the Q70 to 74 Street/Jackson Heights. The former ran fine, the latter took forever.
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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by Backshophoss » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:34 pm

Entend the N&Q to LGA and be done with it,the current bus connections are useless
You DO NOT NEED A LINK TO JFK FROM LGA!,IF flying international you will go to NWK/JFK directly.
otherwise the airline sets up a limo connection.
Any kind of south/east routing is USELESS!
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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by SouthernRailway » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:46 pm

It's about time to get an Airtrain to LGA.

The subway and then the Q70 bus takes 30-40 minutes from Midtown, which makes a $35 taxi ride (20 minutes or so) a waste of money, but what is unpleasant is being in a crowded bus as it circles around LGA. It crawls along between terminals and is painful. A train would be more comfortable.

Even better, a train that goes from NY Penn Station or Grand Central to LGA, without stopping; I could see business people taking something like that. EWR and JFK also need a true Airtrain: a one-seat ride from NY Penn or Grand Central, perhaps stopping at Jamaica or Newark to pick up transferring passengers. Having to transfer between multiple trains to EWR and JFK is a big disincentive, particularly on weekends when NJ Transit has only trains at the top of the hour to/from NYC, resulting in long waits.

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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by STrRedWolf » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:03 pm

Backshophoss wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:34 pm
Entend the N&Q to LGA and be done with it,the current bus connections are useless
You DO NOT NEED A LINK TO JFK FROM LGA!,IF flying international you will go to NWK/JFK directly.
otherwise the airline sets up a limo connection.
Any kind of south/east routing is USELESS!
Limo connection == bus (and are by your logic, useless). Besides, you seem to think any extension out from LGA towards Jamaica and Queens is automatically going to give you a LGA to JFK connection. Bull, you still need to take the Airtrain to JFK. I doubt that type of traffic will even hit 1% of total.

That said, consider the following:

What about those on Long Island taking the LIRR to get to LGA? What's better, a transfer at Woodside to a bus (useless), or a faster subway train that beats the traffic? The same goes for Queens by Jamaica. Transfer at 74th St/Broadway to a bus (useless) or transfer at Kew Gardens for a fast train?

What about those in the Bronx or Upper Manhattan trying to get to LGA? What's faster? Switching at 125th to a bus (useless) or a faster subway train that beats the traffic and is more direct?

"Just" extending the N/W to LGA is short sighted. The Q is going to go into 125th street as part of the 2nd Ave Subway line and the T. Someone at MTA is going to get the bright idea of extending the Q and T to meet the 1 at 125th. Someone else is going to see how heavy the E, F, M, R, J, and Z are between these areas and want to do a destination study to see who's going where and when... and then get the bright idea of making another line connecting 125th to LGA and Kew Gardens. I won't even be surprised if they tie it to the old LIRR-now-Rockaway A and make it the H.
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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by GirlOnTheTrain » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:54 am

STrRedWolf wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:03 pm
What about those in the Bronx or Upper Manhattan trying to get to LGA? What's faster? Switching at 125th to a bus (useless) or a faster subway train that beats the traffic and is more direct?
This is specifically why I fly out of EWR or JFK. 1 to NYP and NJT or LIRR to whatever airtrain.
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Re: Laguardia-LGA: Airtrain or Astoria Line N,W Train Extension

Post by Jeff Smith » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:29 am

GirlOnTheTrain wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:54 am
STrRedWolf wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:03 pm
What about those in the Bronx or Upper Manhattan trying to get to LGA? What's faster? Switching at 125th to a bus (useless) or a faster subway train that beats the traffic and is more direct?
This is specifically why I fly out of EWR or JFK. 1 to NYP and NJT or LIRR to whatever airtrain.
I avoid LGA at all costs, too. I'm not very fond of EWR because of NJT issues, and crowding. Kind of why I didn't like the 125th St. bus, plus, 125th St is really dirty now. Thanks DeBlowsio. But I digress.

I could have sworn I saw something about East Side Access and Laguardia. The 7 idea is dumb. I like the idea from Astoria across the Grand Central, or even extend it into Manhattan over the Triborough or 59th St. Bridge on the old street car lanes (the outer ramps).

I do like the Airtrain concept, and like it to JFK. I almost think there should be a revived "Train to the Plane", but on LIRR from NYP to Jamaica and not the E (?). I think that might even lend itself to checking baggage remotely for a fee.
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