FL9 F-10 Metro-North / CtDOT / Amtrak Discussion

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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by DURR5017116 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:39 am

GirlOnTheTrain wrote:Metro-North engineers run cab cars on that same track every day.

Mind you my experience is limited to the few engineers I know, but it seems like most don't really care - unless you're talking about the death-trap on wheels Metroliner cabs with the doors welded shut.
This is true but on the upper Hudson line there is 90-110mph track with crossings where there isn’t south of Poughkeepsie.

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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by blockline4180 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:25 am

mtuandrew wrote:
DutchRailnut wrote:no, no engine behind the cars as it blocks emergency egress for passengers.
Okay, that makes far more sense:

FL9 - P32 - Amfleets - MARC IIB cab

No loop needed, unless Metro-North desires it. (Makes me look forward to Amtrak buying modern cab cars!)


Depends on how many cab cars are available... If the FL9s end up running it will be FL9- P32- Coaches - MARC cab as u say, but if not enough MARC II B are available then they will have to loop the train.. I don't think you can have a P32 behind the cab car...... They may also do FL9-Amfleets - P32, or just P32-Amfleets- MARC IIB and no FL9, but are enough MARC coaches available for every train? Hope I didn't confuse you!
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by DutchRailnut » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:28 am

the FL-9's can not be used as single locomotives with Amfleets simply cause they no longer have third rail capability.
Amtrak is leasing 7 cab cars from MARC .

If Amtrak were really interested in FL-9's why did they not lease the two Main central units doing nothing in New Jersey ??
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by dgvrengineer » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:08 am

DutchRailnut wrote:the FL-9's can not be used as single locomotives with Amfleets simply cause they no longer have third rail capability.
Amtrak is leasing 7 cab cars from MARC .

If Amtrak were really interested in FL-9's why did they not lease the two Main central units doing nothing in New Jersey ??
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by blockline4180 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:20 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:the FL-9's can not be used as single locomotives with Amfleets simply cause they no longer have third rail capability.
Amtrak is leasing 7 cab cars from MARC .

If Amtrak were really interested in FL-9's why did they not lease the two Main central units doing nothing in New Jersey ??


Perhaps Morristown and Erie said no?? They sometimes use them for summer caboose trips, at least they have in the past.
Why don't you ask Noel Weaver personally why he is so sure that Amtrak really wants to use the FL9s??? He may privately divulge his source!!
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by DURR5017116 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:14 am

If the Superintendent of Empire Service is on record talking about getting FL9s, I'd say its a safe bet to assume that it's definitely happening with no need to probe Noel unnecessarily.


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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by east point » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:49 am

In our opinion it is important that Amtrak has alternate ways to get to New York City. It is too bad that alternate ways on other routes are not as available Thinking of the ability to use various CSX routes WASH <> NYP, SWC, NY <> CHI, CHI <> MSP, ETC. Know that there are already some such as the Eagle.

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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by Jeff Smith » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:12 pm

Why would the FL9 not be able to lead or trail as an end unit? I'm not sure why you'd need a P32 at all? It seems the P32 is the problem here; no nose door, no egress.
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by bdawe » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:36 am

So why didn't Amtrak & Metro North just order the same GCT-compatible locomotives back in the day? why bother with slightly different designs?
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by DutchRailnut » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:08 am

Amtrak wanted a toilet, and Metro North wanted a nose hatch .
Metro north did not want a toilet , Amtrak did not want a nose hatch .
these kind of things do need to be addressed in a combined order of next Dual mode, of which LIRR - Metro North - and Amtrak will all get the same.
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by bdawe » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:22 am

Perhaps some sort of modular toilet that can be installed and removed through a nose hatch :wink:
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by Jeff Smith » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:14 pm

Word on street (aka Facebook): units are being shipped today. I believe the routing is the Springfield Line to the B&A line to Albany.

Or, per another member, it's a Mafersa swap for PTC installation.

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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by Tadman » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:53 pm

mtuandrew wrote:What is different safety-wise about the Metroliners versus other cab cars? I’ve seen a few opinions about them being relatively unsafe.
Educated guess: It's the floor plan. Your typical cab car has the engineer sitting in the vestibule, the metroliner has this little cabin in front of the vestibule that is much smaller. I have been told by an Amtrak engineer that it is absolutely tiny. Perhaps it feels harder to escape quickly in event of an accident.

With regard to overall safety of the Marc cab cars, South Shore runs them daily at 79mph over hundreds of crossings. With two tragic exceptions - the 1993 bridge crash and the 1998 steel truck crash - they have a very good record. This includes about five miles of street running.
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by ConstanceR46 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:26 am

DutchRailnut wrote:the FL-9's can not be used as single locomotives with Amfleets simply cause they no longer have third rail capability.
Amtrak is leasing 7 cab cars from MARC .

If Amtrak were really interested in FL-9's why did they not lease the two Main central units doing nothing in New Jersey ??
because a. M&E may want those for caboose trips and b. i don't see the sheer amount of anger you have over the FL9s that were just sitting, stored, in NH.
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Re: FL9 F-10 Metro-North and Amtrak Discussion

Post by Backshophoss » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:09 am

Believe M&E "bare footed" their 2 FL-9's before sending them to the Maine Eastern.
Also M&E is the "contract shop" for NJT,and may still be doing Sandy damage repairs for NJT .
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