Official M2 / M4 / M6 Retirement Thread

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Post by Jeff Smith » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:57 am

I agree on Danbury electrification - too expensive for too little benefit. I only mention it as it was an option in study. So it doesn't look like they'll be needed except as a fleet reserve, maybe Yankee Stadium like the 1's, since they won't be used in branch service.

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Post by Otto Vondrak » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:20 am

They haven't even tooled up for the M-8's, and you're already wondering what they're going to do with the M-2's? Call me in 2009, and we'll talk. :-)

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Post by Jeff Smith » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:31 pm

Otto Vondrak wrote:They haven't even tooled up for the M-8's, and you're already wondering what they're going to do with the M-2's? Call me in 2009, and we'll talk. :-)

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Call me "forward thinking" LOL. Hey, in a world where everything runs through years of study, EIS, etc., they must have some idea, right? Maybe I'm hoping they end up on Ozark Mountain Rail Car so I can bid on one. :P ALthough I'd rather own a washboard 4400(?).

Besides, I like Dutch's reality checks. If it's cheaper to order push-pull for service expansions than demotorization, than more "power" to them.
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Post by Clean Cab » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:43 am

Current planning is to phase out all M2s as soon as enough M8s are placed into service. The last M2s to be retired will be the "Bar Cars". Assuming the delivery of M8s is and stays on schedule the last M2 should be retired by 2013.
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Post by L'mont » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:48 am

capecodlocoguy wrote:Current planning is to phase out all M2s as soon as enough M8s are placed into service. The last M2s to be retired will be the "Bar Cars". Assuming the delivery of M8s is and stays on schedule the last M2 should be retired by 2013.
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Post by Jeff Smith » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:52 am

That's surprising, I figured they'd at least keep the M-2's that had been through CSR. They're supposed to be good for another 10 yrs, why not run them until they die?
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Post by TacSupport1 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:51 pm

I hope Danbury Rail Museum gets a set of the M-2's.

That would be the perfect place to host them.

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Post by Clean Cab » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:16 pm

Don't believe all the hype about how good the "CSR" cars are. Yes, they have new motors, brakes ect. But they are still a 40 year old design and they are hardly efficient operators. Anyone who runs on the New Haven line can tell you the CSR pairs are better than non CSR pairs, but that ain't saying much!!!
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Post by kitn1mcc » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:03 pm

i would love to get a set in essex even as a static display
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Post by DutchRailnut » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:30 pm

Saving a Electric MU is counter productive for museums, it cost a lot of money to maintain and no change to ever run it again.
just for numbers it would cost $5000 per car to maintain track and car.
for what ?? to display, a model would do just fine.
To run, not gone happen since the cars would need to be maintained for airbrake purpose and cab signal which may be absolete by time car gets restored.

Museums have hard enough time to scrape up money for movable objects, stationairy is wasting resources.
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Post by H.F.Malone » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:38 pm

"i would love to get a set in essex even as a static display"

You're kidding, right? Do you seriously think ANYONE in VRR management would consider that for even half a second? Having a dream is nice, but that's really "out there", Kit.

DRN is correct, represent the place in railroad history those transistorized Spam cans occupied, by use of a couple of nice models. And it won't be at Essex.
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Save an EMU???

Post by CannaScrews » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:34 pm

If memory serves me right, there is 1 xNH parlour car #5111 at the RMNE & DRM has a 4xxx combine of the same type. Both are inoperable on their own power - the mercury filled ignitron rectifiers have long been removed.

I don't think that any of the old NH muts have been saved - even though there was a trailer unit in Stamford about 15 years ago.

NYC 1100s? Don't think any were saved.

M2s ?? You could probably not worry about the cab signals - where are you going to operate them anyway? But the systems are wickedy complex - the electical cabinets hanging below the frame are chock full of relays, wiring, circutry - who is going to maintain that?

Then there is the toilet question - do you really want to go there.

How about 600 VDC if you can't get 14,000 VAC.

Maybe one of he trolley museums is a little more capable of handling the cars - just slap a trolley pole on & off you go.....

And - the spear-type couplers - you need an adapter for a regular knucke type.

I would seriously doubt that MNCR is even considering using retired M2s as work cars as were the other MUs.

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More M2s to be scrapped?

Post by Clean Cab » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:02 pm

Word has it that several M2s that have long languished in the "Bone Yard" in New Haven are going to be picked clean for parts, then sent out to be scrapped. Two M2s (8808 & 8535) were dragged out the Bone Yard yeasterday (2/27) and hauled to Stamford Yard. It seems that some of the cars in the Bone Yard are so severly damaged that they are beyond rebuilding or repair. Some have been out of service for almost 5 years now.
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Post by FL9AC » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:25 pm

that pair dragged out yesturday, the M6 single car (track 45), and the other M2 single car from the Stamford derailment about two years back will be taken on flat cars after being picked clean and scrapped.

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Post by Clean Cab » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:43 pm

I can't believe that MN would scrap an M6!! I know it was involved in a severe derailment in GCT a few years back, but it was my understanding that it would be repaired by the heavy repair shop in Stamford. I guess some took another look at it and decided it wasn't worth saving. Too bad, it's just over 10 years old.
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