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Re: Pascack Valley line trackage in use?

Post by chuxter26 » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:00 pm

Manhattan Beer and Dykes lumber both get cars on the section between Suffern and Tallmans

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Re: Pascack Valley line trackage in use?

Post by airman00 » Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:27 pm

Is that part of the PVL or another line? I haven't seen a freight go past my town in quite some years.

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Re: Pascack Valley line trackage in use?

Post by Passaic River Rat » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:55 pm

[quote=]Is that part of the PVL or another line? I haven't seen a freight go past my town in quite some years.[/quote]
It is officially known as the Suffern Industrial. Not part of the PVL.

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Re: Metro-North Leases Portion of Piermont Line

Post by airman00 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:41 pm

I have a question on this piermont branch: I understand this used to be the part of the NJT Pascack valley line, that connected with suffern and NJT's main/bergen lines. Was this the row that went to piermont train station? Or was that station part of the northern branch line that used to serve continental can company in piermont? I seem to be figuring out that their was 2 different piermont branches?

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Re: Metro-North Leases Portion of Piermont Line

Post by Tommy Meehan » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:00 pm

airman00 wrote:I have a question on this piermont branch....Was this the row that went to piermont train station? Or was that station part of the northern branch....
This would probably be better asked (and answered) in the New York State Forum. But as long as you asked....

The Piermont Branch's history goes all the way back to the 1840s. The eighteen mile section from Piermont (actually Piermont Landing) to Suffern via Sparkill and Nanuet was the Erie Railroad's original main line opened in September 1841. By 1853 the Erie had rerouted from Suffern to Jersey City via Paterson and the former main line to Piermont had become a branch. In 1869 the Northern Branch used a 1.2 mile section of original Piermont Branch -- between Sparkill and Piermont -- to extend itself to Nyack. The Piermont Branch was then reduced to the 16 mile Suffern-Sparkill Jct. section.

Around the same time the old New Jersey & New York began using a 2.3 mile section of the Piermont Branch between Nanuet Jct. and Spring Valley. But that section remained part of the Piermont Branch.

So yes the Piermont station was at first part of the Piermont Branch and then transferred to the Northern Branch in 1869. Everything east of Sparkill Jct became Northern Branch track, including the CCC facility which was worked by a Northern Drill.

How it has evolved under CR-NS-MNRR I'll leave for someone else. That's too recent for me! :-)

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Re: Metro-North Leases Portion of Piermont Line

Post by airman00 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:42 pm

Now I think I'm starting to understand it all. There was once a connection between what is now the Pascack valley line and the Northern branch. So there is only one piermont branch and it was broken into the part that became the PVL and the part that became part of the Northern branch.

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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by HAMMER77777 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:21 pm

what washed out branch in Money? as i Knew it is intact and used for freight..i hope it is used...anyone with info. on this or any trains especially Rockland County please email me.

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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by Passaic River Rat » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:44 am

The Piermont Branch is owned by Metro North. There may be more information in hthat forum.

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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by Roadgeek Adam » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:12 pm

This does normally belong in the Metro-North forum, but I will quickly summarize the Piermont Branch.

The Piermont Branch is what I call the Erie equivalent of DL&W's Old Main. The Erie Railroad's main line originally ran from Dunkirk to Piermont, basically a Lake Erie-Hudson River line. The Piermont station had docks nearby to serve other locations. However, in the 1870s, the Erie took over the Passaic and Hudson RR (the current NJT Main Line up to Paterson) for use as their main line. The old main line was, like the DL&W, relegated to branchline status. In 1938, only one passenger train serviced the Piermont Branch from Suffern - Piermont. The amount of stations along the line were pretty large although only three stand, Spring Valley, Suffern and Piermont. The rest were demolished or collapsed at some point: Sparkill, Orangeburg, Blauvelt, Nanuet (burned), Monsey and Tallmans. The chances we're going to get line service back on the Piermont Branch is slim. Tallmans and Monsey are both NIMBY central. For more info on the proposed alignment, go check the Metro-North forum, they have a semi-active topic.

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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by airman00 » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:05 pm

I was under the impression that railroad companies are autonomous and can pretty much do what they want. They only need DEP approval, and nothing else. (correct me if I'm wrong) Now I know the railroad might just be trying to be a good neighbor and do things right, but if local towns are going to put up that much of a stink, then the railroad should just go ahead anyway.
(I'm making an assumption they want to restore peirmont line.)

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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by n01jd1 » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:34 am

Remember, Metro North, like NJTransit are state agencies and are therefore subject to political pressure that a private, for profit railroad like NS is not. All the NIMBYS have to do is raise a big enough stink and the bureaucrats will kill a project fearing for their or their masters political lives. Thats why there is no passing sidings on the PVL in the state of NJ.
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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by Sirsonic » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:56 am

n01jd1 wrote:Thats why there is no passing sidings on the PVL in the state of NJ.
Hackensack, Teterboro, and East Rutherford are in New Jersey.
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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by airman00 » Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:33 am

It's funny how there always seems to be political pressure against rail, but never any for it. And for that matter I always find it amazing that a small handful of homeowners can derail an entire railroad company project.

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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by cruiser939 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:57 pm

Sirsonic wrote:
n01jd1 wrote:Thats why there is no passing sidings on the PVL in the state of NJ.
Hackensack, Teterboro, and East Rutherford are in New Jersey.
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Re: New ballast on Piermont Branch in Suffern

Post by morris&essex4ever » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:06 pm

n01jd1 wrote:Thats why there is no passing sidings on the PVL in the state of NJ.
Are you referring to the proposed siding in Oradell that was never built?
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