CtDOT/SLE GP40-2H STATUS THREAD

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CtDOT/SLE GP40-2H STATUS THREAD

Post by Frank » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:10 am

Since CDOT just recently purchased 8 P40s that were once leased to them, I'm just wondering, will they replace the GP40-2Hs?
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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by DutchRailnut » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:18 am

Most likely, the GP40-2h and FL9 are no longer compliant with EPA rules and the 567 and 646 engines can not be made tier 0 compliant without loosing significant horsepower.
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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by Clean Cab » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:32 am

Don't scrap those GP40s just yet. They were supposed to be replaced by the BL-20GH's, and then be relegated to yard switching work. But as we all know the Brookvilles ain't exactly holding up as well as one had hoped. The one time they operated them on the shoreline (test train) they had a ton of problems with the ACSES system. The "rebuilt" P40s will evetually take over all SLE trains, but their reliability is also an issue.
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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by DutchRailnut » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:55 am

The BL20gh was never designated to become a replacement for GP40-2h, The Bl20 is a MNCR pool locomotive, with its only purpose of ACSES to be available as rescue power on SLE if MNCR would get SLE services.
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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by BiggAW » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:35 pm

I don't know what their future plans are, but at the moment, they are running some of each. I doubt the GP-40's will be scrapped, as they are still decent locomotives. Whether CDOT will keep them on SLE, use them for something else, or sell them, I can't say.

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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by MN-P32AC-DM-201-227 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:59 pm

These locomotives were re-built in 1996 from GP-38's to GP40's they still have life in them. The problem is, like Duch has stated in the past parts are becoming an issue, as well as the EPA. For a commuter RR to operate and function they need equipment that is reliable, and that can be fixed in a timely matter. If the locomotive parts are not available then you will have large hunks of steel just sitting around. These locomotives would be great for a short line.

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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by Tadman » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:17 pm

I would suspect someone like LTEX or NRE will buy them, de-turbo them, and resell them to an outfit that has a shortline(s). I've been told by shortline brass friends that the GP38 is worth 2-3 times the GP40 because of turbo maintenance issues. Hard to believe the diff, but my friend has had positions at Class I's and shortlines.
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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:39 pm

even on shortlines these units would not comply with EPA rules, so draw your own conclusion as to what may happen to them.
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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by Tadman » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:39 pm

Then the bodies become a Gillette product, the frames become genset switchers, and the PM is sold to a tugboat outfit that isn't subject to EPA rules - 'nother country probably. 645's are the predominant marine power I hear.
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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by NortheastTrainMan » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:41 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:even on shortlines these units would not comply with EPA rules, so draw your own conclusion as to what may happen to them.
That's pitiful a pure shame. :( I hope the same doesn't happen to the GP40PH-2As and GP40PH-2Bs
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Re: GP40-2H question

Post by Otto Vondrak » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:25 am

DutchRailnut wrote:even on shortlines these units would not comply with EPA rules, so draw your own conclusion as to what may happen to them.
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Re: CDOT GP40-2H replacement question

Post by BiggAW » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:19 pm

If the GP-40s aren't meeting the EPA rules, I'd hate to see what the emissions of the P40's look like. Although you can't see some types of pollution, the visible particulates coming out of the P40s are a lot worse than the GP40s. Both types of locos need some serious engine work and exhaust gas treatment to eliminate visible particulate emissions. That being said, I saw a GP-40-2H smoking it up in OSB a few weeks ago, it was a downright frigid day, so it must have been because of HEP for heating because the train wasn't moving. They have separate HEP engines, unlike F40's and P40's, right?

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Re: CDOT GP40-2H replacement question

Post by MN-P32AC-DM-201-227 » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:41 pm

Most F40's have HEP for example NJT's/Metro North's F40's all have a Caterpillar generators. The Genesis uses power from the prime mover, no separate generator. Yes the CDOT GP-38's/ 40's do have HEP generators as well. Wheres Dutch when you need him!! LOL

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Re: CDOT GP40-2H replacement question

Post by FL9AC » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:44 pm

The Genesis models as stated in the last post use power from the prime mover for HEP, the GP40's have a seperate HEP generator, as well as the FL-9's, F10's, and even the BL20GH's.

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Re: CDOT GP40-2H replacement question

Post by DutchRailnut » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:13 pm

BiggAW wrote:If the GP-40s aren't meeting the EPA rules, I'd hate to see what the emissions of the P40's look like. Although you can't see some types of pollution, the visible particulates coming out of the P40s are a lot worse than the GP40s. Both types of locos need some serious engine work and exhaust gas treatment to eliminate visible particulate emissions. That being said, I saw a GP-40-2H smoking it up in OSB a few weeks ago, it was a downright frigid day, so it must have been because of HEP for heating because the train wasn't moving. They have separate HEP engines, unlike F40's and P40's, right?
The P40's are 4 stroke engines which after a rebuilt will comply with EPA tier 1 requirements, the NJT units hardly smoke,
The GP40 or any EMD for that matter are two stroke engine, one of most polluting engine in world, making them compliant drops horsepower by significant %%
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