Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS (Before Launch of Service)

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by NH2060 » Wed May 23, 2018 10:10 pm

The MBBs are finally being tested:
https://youtu.be/u_mqZZ3Owj0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://youtu.be/5lSdBE8W8N8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I still don’t understand why they had to paint them like that.

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by Rockingham Racer » Thu May 24, 2018 6:34 am

I like the paint job, personally.

Question: did they put benches on the platforms?

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by YamaOfParadise » Thu May 24, 2018 12:43 pm

I agree, it doesn't look bad at all, it's just a shake from the classic/nostalgic NH livery that they've used on SLE.

Also, it looks like there are benches on those platforms, if you were just asking if they existed or not, they just blend in really well with the railings in back at night.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by lordsigma12345 » Thu May 24, 2018 5:16 pm

The CTrail ticket machines have been uncovered at the new Springfield intermodal center and turned on. Additionally it looks like the Amtrak station will be moving into the new center pretty soon - this week they have installed new glass window panels for their new ticket office and have begun putting the counter unit back together. The city built the new Amtrak area open with no glass barrier for the staff and Amtrak decided to make some modifications including adding the glass. For a while they seemed to be in no hurry - I believe with the new elevated platform not done yet they wanted to wait as long as they could, but suddenly they have picked up the pace on the work - it may be that they need to move before the Hartford Line starts as I heard they are going to be using the current ticketing/waiting area as a crew rest/lounge space for the CTrail crews - there is already an Amtrak crew base that uses the far side of the old station building nearest the elevator and two modular trailers located next to the building. Amtrak's new space is quite nice and includes an open air main greeting/customer service counter that will be the main ticket office, an enclosed service counter that is equipped for checked baggage, and a back support space that includes a staff break room, agent office, station manager office, police office, restooms, and server room. They are sharing the space with MASSDOT who will have an office in there as well. The open air ticket area will have a gate that will drop when they are closed - but as I said before Amtrak did add glass window panels above the counter to add a little security. Passengers will wait in the new waiting area in the historic main concourse of the station with new amenities including wifi, Subway, Dunkin Donuts, car rental, and convenience store as well as connections to intercity and local bus service. The center has been open for bus passengers now for almost a year and a tunnel connects it to the old current Amtrak station.

I will take and post some photos once the rail station moves in/

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by lordsigma12345 » Fri May 25, 2018 5:59 pm

New CTrail machines at Springfield
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New Amtrak area at Springfield
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by ConstanceR46 » Fri May 25, 2018 9:08 pm

unable to load images is pretty funny tbh
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by lordsigma12345 » Fri May 25, 2018 10:35 pm

Indeed they probably would have been better off leaving them powered off until they were ready to finish programming/setting up/whatever. That does look like a half-arsed installation.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by Backshophoss » Sat May 26, 2018 6:53 pm

Waiting for SNET to start up the Data lines /DSL! :(
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by SouthernRailway » Sat May 26, 2018 8:56 pm

I like the paint scheme on the CT Rail trains.

Why was this route not electrified?

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by ConstanceR46 » Sat May 26, 2018 9:10 pm

SouthernRailway wrote:I like the paint scheme on the CT Rail trains.

Why was this route not electrified?
not worth the cost, and CT rail had a bunch of GP40s and P40s lying around; and are planning to stay diesel with future orders.

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by lordsigma12345 » Sun May 27, 2018 9:09 pm

I believe electrification was actually considered at the VERY beginning of the planning phases of NHHS but the idea was eventually abandoned due to cost.

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by Arlington » Mon May 28, 2018 7:03 am

lordsigma12345 wrote:I believe electrification was actually considered at the VERY beginning of the planning phases of NHHS but the idea was eventually abandoned due to cost.
Once traffic and frequency build, it wll be easier to make the case to electrify.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by Traingeek3629 » Mon May 28, 2018 3:57 pm

Electrifying the NHHS corridor would be a COMPLETE waste of time and money. EMUs would be totally useless with most of the stops 10+ minutes apart, (Windsor-Windsor Locks and Wallingford-Meriden are exceptions) not to mention if the M8s were used, the service would be a lot slower because the M8s maximum speed is 80 mph in service, rather than the 110 mph that the current equipment supposedly reaches. If daily ridership on that corridor gets above 3,000, maybe my stance would change. For FY2017, daily ridership on the Shuttles was a dismal 671. I'll be fair and add another 200 for the regionals. Still under 1,000. There is just not enough money coming from that line to make electrification feasible.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Mon May 28, 2018 6:29 pm

It's better to keep the SPG Line a diesel operation. Yes, the Genesis units have poor acceleration but look at the bright side-the stations are not super close to each other-not like where I live in Montclair, NJ. Of course, the ridership on the 470 series trains was dismal because of the trackwork.

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by lordsigma12345 » Mon May 28, 2018 10:03 pm

The ridership dropped substantially due to the track work and because a big chunk of weekday trains were substituted by buses for over two years. There have also been some weekends where all service on the line has been bus substituted. They have not really done a good job of advertising now that the buses are over with - I have heard several people still say that they run all buses between Springfield and New Haven not knowing that has ended. Amtrak also makes this worse because on their mobile app all the Shuttles show up as thruway bus connections even though they are trains - they really should correct that - that inaccuracy isn't going to help ridership.

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