Metro North Train Stations: Additional or Unnecessary?

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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:37 am

Metro North has good reverse commuting options, especially for those people who might live in the South Bronx and need to get work in like White Plains. There are many lower income people who might live in the Bronx and commute to jobs in Westchester County that pay very well. Having Melrose and Tremont are more important than you might think. If those stations didn't exist, then many of those people living near them would probably have to take a subway to a Bee Line bus or else a NYCMTA bus to a Bee Line bus(takes a painfully long time).

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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations

Post by Traingeek3629 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:02 am

I'll give you a few: Merritt 7, Beacon Falls, Tenmile River, University Heights, Philpse Manor, Ludlow, Southport. Otisville is useless, but that is not really Metro-North.

I won't bother with the hiking stops since they take so little to maintain and they aren't commuter-oriented, so low ridership is acceptable. Tremont and Melrose, even though they have very low inbound ridership, they have a decent customer base who reverse commutes. Therefore, while they aren't important, Tremont and Melrose aren't useless either. I get that Merritt 7 probably has some people that get off there from Stamford, etc. but it doesn't need a 7 car high-level platform. A setup like the one they have on MBTA with a mini-high would be fine. Rowayton might as well just end weekend service, nobody gets on. Tenmile could become a hiking stop, Southport is close enough to both Green's Farms and Fairfield, Ludlow has low ridership, same with the Heights stations (especially University)
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:53 am

you obvious have never done research on ridership numbers for those stops.
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by NaugyRR » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:36 pm

You'd be surprised how many people use Tenmile River, especially with DDSO right there. It's also one of the stations that are close enough for Litchfield County residents to reach easily enough, not to mention the trailer parks up the road that are within walking distance. It's a pretty convenient station for those that don't want to deal with Wassaic or Dover.
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:02 pm

same with Merrit 7 parking lot is always full and the pickup line when NY trains get there are long .
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by Traingeek3629 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:35 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:you obvious have never done research on ridership numbers for those stops.
Actually, I have done research. Would you like to see my (somewhat outdated) source? Plus, just riding the train you can tell which stops are busy when 10 people board your car, and you can see which ones aren't if you look out on the platform coming into the stop and 3 people are there.
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by Noel Weaver » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:53 pm

I very much doubt if any of the existing stations on the Harlem Line or any other part of Metro North are un-necessary at this point, they exist because folks want to use them and closing any of them down will result in less ridership as these folks will find some other way to get where they need to go. I know when I ran trains for Metro North I did not find any station as excess, People depend on these stops and cutting them from the existing schedules makes absolutely no sense at all. Just because you happen to ride a train that does not do much at a station does not mean that that particular station should be closed due to a lack of use.
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by Traingeek3629 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:04 pm

They wouldn't need to be closed, why not just stop service on weekends at stations whose inbound ridership is 11 or 15?
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by GirlOnTheTrain » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:55 pm

Well, considering Beacon Falls was reopened within the last 30 years, clearly someone doesn't think it's a waste...
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by R36 Combine Coach » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:05 pm

Traingeek3629 wrote:They wouldn't need to be closed, why not just stop service on weekends at stations whose inbound ridership is 11 or 15?
Even better: flag stop by request only. A win-win: service retained, without burdening every train.
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:59 am

Closing Melrose and Tremont would be like closing Highland Ave Station on NJT's M&E. There are many people who live in the immediate area who probably reverse commute to jobs in like Summit and Morristown. Plus Highland Ave Station is extremely close to the West Orange Arts District.

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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by nomis » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:01 am

Traingeek3629 wrote:
DutchRailnut wrote:you obvious have never done research on ridership numbers for those stops.
Actually, I have done research. Would you like to see my (somewhat outdated) source? Plus, just riding the train you can tell which stops are busy when 10 people board your car, and you can see which ones aren't if you look out on the platform coming into the stop and 3 people are there.
Actually supporting your statements with facts, even if it is 11 year old ridership data helps further the conversation.
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by Traingeek3629 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:35 am

Yup, it is 11 years old. I like the idea of flag stops, like the MBTA does.
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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by checkmatechamp13 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:41 pm

njt/mnrrbuff wrote:Metro North has good reverse commuting options, especially for those people who might live in the South Bronx and need to get work in like White Plains. There are many lower income people who might live in the Bronx and commute to jobs in Westchester County that pay very well. Having Melrose and Tremont are more important than you might think. If those stations didn't exist, then many of those people living near them would probably have to take a subway to a Bee Line bus or else a NYCMTA bus to a Bee Line bus(takes a painfully long time).
The Bx15 & Bx41 buses run parallel to the Harlem Line in that portion of The Bronx and connect with Metro-North at Fordham. However, I do agree that those stations should remain open, as while ridership is low, it isn't abysmal. (Also, even a UniTicket is an additional cost that you would be imposing on those commuters).

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Re: Unecessary Metro North Train Stations On The Harlem Line

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:01 am

Having those bus options give those people more opportunities for connecting to trains at Fordham, especially those who are traveling to towns along the New Haven Line like New Rochelle.

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