MNRR Hudson Line Electrification

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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Dwell times are not the only reason to electrify. The post you reply to mentions another reason - reliability. DMs are more failure prone by design because they need to have both a diesel and an electric, and the fleet is smaller so it is harder to handle failure.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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andrewjw wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:56 pm
Dwell times are not the only reason to electrify. The post you reply to mentions another reason - reliability. DMs are more failure prone by design because they need to have both a diesel and an electric, and the fleet is smaller so it is harder to handle failure.
Plus environmental concerns, noise and exhaust.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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Betya commercial power might be more polluting than newer generation diesels.
natives are really not looking favorable at sight pollution with poles and wires and 12,5 KV hanging within 18 feet of ground .
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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>>A lot of substations admittedly, but less of an issue with NIMBYs objecting to wires.

I would think the NIMBY's would be more opposed to third rail. After all, there is the danger of electrocution to children playing on the tracks!

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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3rd rail beyond Croton North,forgetaboutit!!! Not worth the $$$$$$$$ to install.
The Harlem line to B north was hard enough to pull off.
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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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Tom, I remember the EP-5s [the Jets] rolling by JO tower in Woodlawn in the late 60's. I believe only a few rush hour trains were run throughs. The rest of the day people changed at South Norwalk, IIRC.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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The MTA's newest capital program includes a proposal to re-electrify some or all of the currently un-electrified segments of track 1 (the northbound express track) between Hastings-on-Hudson and Croton-Harmon. https://new.mta.info/sites/default/file ... Report.pdf Details on pages 29 and 128 of the PDF (which are listed as pages 27 and 126 by the document itself). Amazing how much time, effort and money transit agencies spend or consider spending just to restore infrastructure removed in decades past.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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guaranteed the cost to restore is less than the 30 years maintenance they saved.
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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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It would be great if all four tracks from Croton Harmon Station to CP13 had third rail. It would help provide flexibility, especially for the Croton-Harmon super expresses being able to go around another local train.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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What's a "Croton Harmon super express"?

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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These trains often run express from 125th Street to Tarrytown. They run during the week and during the rush hours-heading south in the am and north in the pm.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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DutchRailnut wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:19 pm
guaranteed the cost to restore is less than the 30 years maintenance they saved.
Absolutely. On the PRR the rule of thumb was that if a track was expected to be out of service for more than one year it was cheaper to tear it up and then put it back later if necessary.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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Same deal as the Tracks You Want Back thread except here is where we can discuss Hudson electrification, and I'm guilty of it as well, let's leave Danbury out of it.
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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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Before thinking of going to overhead electrification, you need to check the clearances on the bridges, etc. along the Hudson Line. The amount of clearance required is actually very significant.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Electrification

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There's a tunnel or two to be concerned about as well.

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