Metro-North Hudson Line Penn Station Access via Empire Conne

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Penn Station Access via Empire Conne

Post by Rockingham Racer » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:21 pm

After they fix the Spuyten Duyvil bridge, and put back the second track. Big bottleneck there.

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Penn Station Access via Empire Conne

Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:30 pm

nope
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Penn Station Access via Empire Conne

Post by Rockingham Racer » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:42 am

Porque no, Dutch? Wasn't it previously two tracks on the bridge?

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Penn Station Access via Empire Conne

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:48 am

yes , but there is no plan to put second track back .
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Penn Station Access via Empire Conne

Post by GirlOnTheTrain » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:27 am

If they were going to re-install the 2nd track, last summer would have been a prime time to do it.
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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Penn Station Access via Empire Conne

Post by Backshophoss » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:59 pm

Amtrak kept DV as single track,freight traffic is banned by the CR contract and the Wye is long gone due to lack of space.
This is a Back Burner project,The Hellgate project will be easier to pull off.
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Re: Metro-North Hudson Line Penn Station Access via Empire Conne

Post by EuroStar » Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:39 pm

Backshophoss wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:59 pm
Amtrak kept DV as single track,freight traffic is banned by the CR contract and the Wye is long gone due to lack of space.
This is a Back Burner project,The Hellgate project will be easier to pull off.
All true. Hudson Line Penn Access is a Metro-North project. Amtrak does not need two tracks at DV, so they did not pay for two. Why would they? Amtrak does not need two tracks at DV. Even if freight was present, what matters most for determining the need for the second track is the number (and to some extent the length) of the freight trains. For example, one freight per day clearly would not have demanded the second track. The number of trains will only meaningfully grow up to justify the second track if MN wants to run 2 or more trains per hour to Penn and at that point Metro-North will need to pay the capital costs for the extra track.

Whether the New Haven Line access to Penn is easier to pull off depends on the definition of "easier". Building the 4 proposed stations, the third track, the third rail and that bridge that Amtrak wants rebuilt for the New Haven Line does not seem easier to me when compared to building say 2 stations and the second track at DV plus the necessary switch reconfiguration. Hands down though, the New Haven Line Penn Access will see a lot more passengers, so the fact that it got prioritized over the Hudson Line Access was the correct decision.

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