What's Next for MNRR EoH Locomotive Fleet (Was: New Metro North locos)

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by ATK » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:09 pm

6 FL9's at $420K are worthless without having ACSES equipment on them. $350K won't even buy you enough ACSES on board equipment to retrofit two locomotives. The math is pretty simple, loco not equipped with ACSES = no deal.

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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH (East of Hudson) Coach Fleet

Post by dha10001 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:15 pm

We can't talk about coaches without talking about locomotives. There has seemingly been no movement on that topic for a while. How long is the current fleet of P32AC-DMs good for? Really, this seems to be one area where there is a real scarcity that is holding back service expansion (among other factors of course). For instance, any increased GCT direct service to Danbury, or any service at all to Waterbury, or points farther afield.

Let's say schedules are modified to replace a Bridgeport-GCT M8 run with a P32AC-DM hauled train from Waterbury. It couldn't happen today because we don't have the locomotives, right? In fact the CT Commuter rail council is meeting this month with Joe Giulietti in the room to talk about the passing sidings and signalization project along that branch, and the question of what kind of rolling stock will be used or procured to provide increased service is a critical issue. Maybe ConnDOT will have enough rebuilt locos and coaches to cobble together the service.

Now Amtrak is moving forward towards new trainsets for Northeast Regional and Empire Service, and eventually, presumably, locomotives will follow. What comes next?

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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH (East of Hudson) Coach Fleet

Post by Backshophoss » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:01 am

The weight debate is still in progress on the Dual-Mode Charger.
This is a shared order,With Amtrak,MN,ConnDOT,and LIRR in the mix.
The given is the BBD ML II type coach/cab car specs tweaked for MN/ConnDOT and LIRR(C-5).
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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH (East of Hudson) Coach Fleet

Post by EuroStar » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:43 am

Backshophoss wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:01 am
The weight debate is still in progress on the Dual-Mode Charger.
What is the hold up there? Is the prime mover more powerful and as a result bigger and heavier causing the weight issues? Or is it the emissions technology? Other than that I would have expected the equivalents of all other components to have gotten lighter since the time the current engines were built due to progress in engineering and better materials.

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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH (East of Hudson) Coach Fleet

Post by Backshophoss » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:29 pm

Reported to be the "Energy storage module",needed to keep moving across 3rd rail gaps in NYP and GCT puzzle switches.
Thats the big fail of LIRR's DM-30's due to the long gaps at Penn.
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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH (East of Hudson) Coach Fleet

Post by Ridgefielder » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:30 am

dha10001 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:15 pm
We can't talk about coaches without talking about locomotives. There has seemingly been no movement on that topic for a while. How long is the current fleet of P32AC-DMs good for?

Well, they got 50+ years out of the fleet the P32's replaced so....

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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH (East of Hudson) Coach Fleet

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:33 am

The MNR and CDOT owned dual mode Genesis units still work fine. They are reliable but of course have lousy acceleration. I think they entered revenue service in 1996.

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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH Locomotive Fleet (Was: New Metro North locos)

Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:03 pm

problem is GE no longer supports or has parts .
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH Locomotive Fleet (Was: New Metro North locos)

Post by Backshophoss » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:58 pm

By now there should be some aftermarket suppliers that have parts for the GE P-series locos with Amtrak and MN as Buyers.
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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH Locomotive Fleet (Was: New Metro North locos)

Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:29 pm

There should, but fact is there is not.
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: What's Next for MNRR EoH Locomotive Fleet (Was: New Metro North locos)

Post by Erie-Lackawanna » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:35 pm

The Gennies are anything but reliable, as any regular commuter in diesel territory can tell you; monthly MDBF numbers confirm the declining reliability. They desperately need to be placed in a museum or scrapyard.

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