Original NH Catenary Replacement Progress

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Post by Clean Cab » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:31 pm

There are quite often "four track outages" (no power on all tracks in a small or large section) due to various projects. I don't think that Catenary "C" is responsible for any such outage as of yet.
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Post by MNRR_RTC » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:31 pm

L'mont wrote:Is this why the late night trains have been diesel?
During the weekends, they have a 4 track outage with power going off on all four tracks. What we do is we take 2 tracks out between CP 234 and 241 (3 being out still) and at New Rochelle, we take 3 tracks out. The power is turned of the on the remaining track and we give the guys in the field working foul time in between trains. This is why we run diesels and Amtrak's 66 and 67 are towed by a diesel train.
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Post by SubaruWRX » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:09 pm

spotted the catenary inspection train viewing the towers at Greenwich this morning at 2AM stopped and pointed the lights up at the towers.
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Post by DutchRailnut » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:52 pm

You spotted the Catenary Maintenance Vehicle, its a track car not a train.
It is not governed by train rules but same rules as a hi-rail truck.
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Post by SubaruWRX » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:09 pm

thanks for clearing that up.
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Photographs or diagrams of triangular catenary?

Post by jersey_emt » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:51 pm

Since from what I read here, there is none of the NHRR 'triangular' catenary left, does anybody have any good photographs or diagrams of this? I'm curious as I've never seen it before.
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Post by Otto Vondrak » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:01 pm

shameless plug:

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http://nywbry.com/forgotten - this book has diagrams, photos, and history of the NH electrification... triangular catenary and all!

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Post by Jersey_Mike » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:01 pm

I hope these can help you out.


http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... nd-Cat.jpg
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -Curve.jpg
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... raight.jpg

http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... os-Cob.jpg
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -gap-2.jpg
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -gap-3.jpg

It's a damn shame what MNRR did replacing that bit of living history. Trains still go just as slow in that stretch as they used to, the only difference is that now passengers don't have any objects of industrial beauty to enjoy as they plod along.

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Post by Erie-Lackawanna » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:31 pm

Jersey_Mike wrote:It's a damn shame what MNRR did replacing that bit of living history. Trains still go just as slow in that stretch as they used to, the only difference is that now passengers don't have any objects of industrial beauty to enjoy as they plod along.
But now they plod along more reliably than they did with the old catenary. The old catenary had this annoying habit of breaking just when a train would be under it, bollixing up the whole works for far too many people. While the new catenary has had its bad days, they're not nearly as often as under the old. So thing of industrial beauty, maybe...but like Dutch with his F units, I'm not sad to see it go at all.

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Post by Otto Vondrak » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:28 pm

LOL- It was great while it lasted... A HUNDRED YEARS. As Indiana Jones said, "It belongs in a museum!"

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Post by Clean Cab » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:56 am

For something so complex and so poorly maintained it was a miracle that it did last so long. The last portion of the old "Triangular" wire (in New York) was between Pelham and Mt. Vernon East. It was used as dead "run off" wire at the relocated beginning of the 3rd rail. It to was phased out for the more standard vertical style wire in 1998.
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Post by DutchRailnut » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:04 am

the last triangular cateary was at east end of cos cobb brdge on track 3 in 2004 as I recollect and as the pictures show.
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Post by Clean Cab » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:09 am

I was referring to the last of the original (1905 to 1907) traingular wire. Yes, triangular wire was in use all the way to just east of Stamford until just a few years ago.
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Post by Noel Weaver » Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:20 am

Jersey_Mike wrote:jpg

It's a damn shame what MNRR did replacing that bit of living history. Trains still go just as slow in that stretch as they used to, the only difference is that now passengers don't have any objects of industrial beauty to enjoy as they plod along.
Yes it is a dam shame that the commuter railroads are spending money
to improve the ride for their customers, the commuters need a modern,
reliable railroad to get where they are going in a timley fashion.
New signals and systems, new overhead wire and catenary systems,
new locomotives and other items all vitally needed.
Are you against all progress? It certainally seems that way from reading
what you post on here.
Come on, accept progress, get with it.
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Post by MACTRAXX » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:27 pm

JM: One of those pics-the third one from the top posted-show one concrete-tied track-on a 4-track line-with triangular catenary-the straightaway one. Was that pic taken during wire work and where was that location? MACTRAXX
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