MNRR West of Hudson (WoH) Study - Stewart Airport

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Post by finsuburbia » Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:08 am

According to the feasibility study, double tracking from CP sterling to the new spur (excepting the moonda viaduct) would be included.

It also laid out a number of options for upgrading the line that would lower the time for the Suffern-Salisbury Mills segment to between 18 and 24 minutes, depending on the option.

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Post by SecaucusJunction » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:03 am

Is the feasibility study online? Is there a link?

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Post by finsuburbia » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:50 pm

SecaucusJunction wrote:Is the feasibility study online? Is there a link?
No, but if you contact Metro North, they will send you a hard copy.

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Post by SecaucusJunction » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:28 pm

I was just looking at some of the "alternatives" from MTA's studies. Some of them are laughable... including one to swing whole the railroad up about 5 miles to the airport and go over the Beacon-Newburgh Bridge to somehow connect to the Hudson Line north of Beacon and come all the way south... or swing north at Campbell Hall and connect onto the CSX River Line where there will be a tunnel built at Palisades NJ to connect to the Hudson Line (I'm sure CSX would be THRILLED about that). On top of that, they think that this would save the rider 30-60 minutes off the trip! I think someone must have been smoking the good stuff when they came up with these figures and ideas.

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Post by NJTRailfan » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:30 pm

But atleast Metro North wised up and didn't take this beyond paper/planing stages. Some commuter railroads will take years to drop a bad idea that was unrealistic from the get go but by the time that's done so much money will be spent that the cost of the study/planning will out cost the construction.
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Post by finsuburbia » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:57 pm

SecaucusJunction wrote:I was just looking at some of the "alternatives" from MTA's studies. Some of them are laughable... including one to swing whole the railroad up about 5 miles to the airport and go over the Beacon-Newburgh Bridge to somehow connect to the Hudson Line north of Beacon and come all the way south... or swing north at Campbell Hall and connect onto the CSX River Line where there will be a tunnel built at Palisades NJ to connect to the Hudson Line (I'm sure CSX would be THRILLED about that). On top of that, they think that this would save the rider 30-60 minutes off the trip! I think someone must have been smoking the good stuff when they came up with these figures and ideas.
Wrong study. That one I believe is from the early '90s. This one (2003) is actually quite reasonable and workable.

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Post by SecaucusJunction » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:16 am

Isnt tonight at midnight when the Port Authority officially takes over Stewart Airport? I would guess they will make some major positive changes within the next year, such as new airlines/destinations and maybe even moving forward on construction of a larger terminal. I would guess they will search for an airline to base themselves out of Stewart. I think there is a pretty good chance that the rail spur will be built off the PJL, does anyone want to venture a guess when the completion date will be? My guess would be sometime well before any ground is broken on the Lackawanna Cutoff.

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Post by SecaucusJunction » Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:45 pm

Today is the official Day 1 of the Port Authority's control of Stewart. New service has already been announced....

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.d ... S/71101022

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Post by NJTRailfan » Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:55 am

Definantly expect new airline service and that rail connection to be fast tracked. I would expect a brand new Terminal that's larger or the expansion of the older on. I could imagien the major carrirs sendign domestic service and a few internationals like Canada, Mexico, Carribbean maybe even some Euro routes. The PA knows what it's doing and I highly doubt they'll get any problems from NIMBYS like the chronically do near Teterboro.
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WOH Study - Stewart / Direct NYC Access Public Meeting

Post by Jeff Smith » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:38 pm

I was going to resurrect an old Stewart thread, but thought this deserved a newer thread since the study encompasses more than just Stewart. There will be a public meeting December 8th in Newburgh (why Newburgh?) to get public input. Here's the link to the article:

Poughkeepsie Journal Article

You might get a kick out of the title of this thread on railroad.net, but it does cover Stewart service, and outside of the foamers, the service to Stewart is held in pretty low regard (I agree):

Elliot Spitzer wins—future of Port Jervis Line-Stewart link?

Of course, Spitzer is a laughingstock (hey, NY, you get the government you deserve), and NY is in serious budget trouble.
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Re: WOH Study - Stewart / Direct NYC Access Public Meeting

Post by Maybrook fan » Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:14 am

Study, study, study if the Vanderbilt's had spent as much time and money doing study's and impact statements. We'd be still be looking out for Indians and Bandits while taking the stagecoach to NYC. They have spent enough money on study's to have laid half the track already.

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Re: WOH Study - Stewart / Direct NYC Access Public Meeting

Post by Darien Red Sox » Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:50 pm

Study means looking at something for 10+ years without doing anything. Look at the Danbury Electrification Studies. What about the station improvement studies in CT, the stations are still falling down. And what about that rail line to springfield?? They completed most of the the study and estimated rail service starting by 2009 or 2010 but have not released any updates sense the announcement was made 2 years ago.
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Re: WOH Study - Stewart / Direct NYC Access Public Meeting

Post by Ridgefielder » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:05 pm

I agree with Maybrook-- the whole "study" thing seems a bit out of control-- why, exactly, does it take so long for the commuter agencies to actually put ties on the ground and attach rails to them? State government regulations?

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Re: WOH Study - Stewart / Direct NYC Access Public Meeting

Post by Kaback9 » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:06 pm

Maybrook fan wrote:Study, study, study if the Vanderbilt's had spent as much time and money doing study's and impact statements. We'd be still be looking out for Indians and Bandits while taking the stagecoach to NYC. They have spent enough money on study's to have laid half the track already.
Amen this applies to not just this line but all lines under study.
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Re: WOH Study - Stewart / Direct NYC Access Public Meeting

Post by Jeff Smith » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:58 pm

Thanks to the tree-hugging liberals and NIMBY's using the out-of-control legal system, studies must be done for everything, and consultants with political connections get rich milking it. Of course, would you want a situation similar to the Robert Moses era when everything was just bulldozed?
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