LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by Tadman » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:10 am

452Card, thanks for some great recollections. I'm a Chicagoan and I'd love to hear more about your test-ride to Joliet, was it over the Rock Island or IC/GM&O? We have two lines to Joliet.

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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by 452 Card » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:34 am

Not sure which one it was. There were only five station stops, all very far apart. We had to wait for a freight to go by at Joliet, then we backed the train around a wye to turn it, then lay it up in the yard. We also passed right next to the prison. Jake was waving at us from his cell window. LOL.
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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by EM2000 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:06 pm

and how the C3 cars were designed based on these tests
Looks like the testing did not go too well, as besides looks, the two cars have nothing in common.

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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by ch00ch00 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:05 pm

I was involved with the testing and design of the M1.
I find, then and now, Testing has NO impact on design.
The ENGINEERS that design, will NOT listen to critiszem or even, hard data, if it slows down the money.

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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by 452 Card » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:39 pm

Ed,
You are 100% correct, I experienced that too. Even when we uncovered issues that would compromise the design when it was to be put in service! I guess us "end product users" just don't have a tangible effect on the "suits".
EM2000,
As an aside, the area of testing we were doing was acceptance testing, not testing to finalize the C1 production cars. There is a big difference between the two, and the C3s were supposed to be a result of the "lessons learned". However, at the final meetings our (meaning the "end users") criticisms were ignored by LIRR engineering and they marched on to the tune of "ease of maintenance". I will not get into the particulars because I absolutely despise the politics of the issue. Suffice it to say, if some would have listened, and compromised, a LOT of cash could have been saved later on in years. And saying "I told you so" later on just makes the situation worse.
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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by 452 Card » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:42 pm

Apparantly this post has run its course, so I am asking if anyone who took photos of the test trains and early in-service trainset let me know if I can get a copy for my train room display. I remember a few photogs along the ROW as we moved the train.
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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by brettj22 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:32 pm

I've been trying to find interior pictures, but to no avail!

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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by nyandw » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:21 pm

452 Card wrote:Apparantly this post has run its course, so I am asking if anyone who took photos of the test trains and early in-service trainset let me know if I can get a copy for my train room display. I remember a few photogs along the ROW as we moved the train.
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirr%2 ... r11-98.jpg

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Re: LI FL9-AC/C1 Coach Project Pilot Program

Post by nyandw » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:01 pm

The thread is revived via this photo. Anyone know when the last GP38-2 units ran the C1s with the HEP unit #3100, or the start date for the FL9AC testing? Thanks. This is currently in the works (beta page): http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/C1-C3% ... 20Cars.htm
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LIRR GP38-2 #266, #259 eastbound LI City 9/20/1991 Photo/Archive: Bill Mangahas
FL9-300-EB_ LIC__53rd-Ave-11th-St-ViewN_- 11-92 (Keller).jpg
FL9AC #300 eastbound LI City 53rd Ave and 11th St. - View N 11/1992 Archive: Dave Keller

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