E-20s in freight service

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E-20s in freight service

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Anybody know of, see, or, even better, get pics of the E-20s in freight service on the LIRR, from their arrival in 1977 until the end of LIRR freight service in May, 1997 when the NYA started, and their departure to rebuild and leasing elsewhere???? I'd love to know if they were ever lashed-up with the Alco L-2s, #s 222-229, or even the E-15s. Thanks, all!
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What is an E-15 or E-20? Thanks...

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LIRR code for locomotive EMD MP-15AC = E15 (1500hp) "The Fifteen Hundreds" (held over from previous ALCO road switchers ((RS-1, RS-3)))
EMD GP-38-2 = E20 (2000hp) " The Geeps"
EMD SW1001 = E10 (1000hp) "Flatbacks" (again held over from the previous ALCO switchers)
With the end of steam heat in 1975, no EMD units for passenger service were equipped with steam generators.
These engines replaced the former ALCO fleet, beginning 1976.
ALCO units 226-227-228 and 229 were retained for freight service. LIRR code L2 (2000hp)
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452 Card wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:28 am
LIRR code for locomotive EMD MP-15AC = E15 (1500hp) "The Fifteen Hundreds" (held over from previous ALCO road switchers ((RS-1, RS-3)))
EMD GP-38-2 = E20 (2000hp) " The Geeps"
EMD SW1001 = E10 (1000hp) "Flatbacks" (again held over from the previous ALCO switchers)
With the end of steam heat in 1975, no EMD units for passenger service were equipped with steam generators.
These engines replaced the former ALCO fleet, beginning 1976.
ALCO units 226-227-228 and 229 were retained for freight service. LIRR code L2 (2000hp)
Therefore: L1 200-221 classed by the MTA in 1968 (2000hp) upon purchase of Alco’s 222 - 229 classified as L2's by the MTA in 1968 Info: Rich Gorddard

Are there earlier LIRR diesel engine codes dating back to the Baldwin VO-660 in 1945?

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Teutobergerwald wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:04 am
Anybody know of, see, or, even better, get pics of the E-20s in freight service on the LIRR, from their arrival in 1977 until the end of LIRR freight service in May, 1997 when the NYA started, and their departure to rebuild and leasing elsewhere???? I'd love to know if they were ever lashed-up with the Alco L-2s, #s 222-229, or even the E-15s. Thanks, all!
I have never seen one: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrGP38/lirrGP38.htm

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The E-20's (GP38's) did run in freight service, but sporadically. Usually MU'ed to an E-15 (MP 15).

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The GP38's were set up with passenger gearing from the factory,had to have a MP 15 mu'ed for freight work.
NY&A regeared their 2 with freight gearing to be more useful.
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There is good amount of freight photos with the Geeps when they first appeared on the property.(Late 70’s)I don’t have links, but some of the newer books have photos of that also.
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freightguy wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:14 pm
There is good amount of freight photos with the Geeps when they first appeared on the property.(Late 70’s)I don’t have links, but some of the newer books have photos of that also.
I have some photos here: http://www.trainsarefun.com/NYA/nyafreight.htm

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nyandw wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:36 pm
freightguy wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:14 pm
There is good amount of freight photos with the Geeps when they first appeared on the property.(Late 70’s)I don’t have links, but some of the newer books have photos of that also.
I have some photos here: http://www.trainsarefun.com/NYA/nyafreight.htm
Steve, do you have any pics when they were in LIRR service?

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Pretty sure I've never seen a photo of LIRR using a gp-38 on a freight, or even a work train.

I have a single unscanned photo from my departed uncle, with 2 38's next to the hump at Yard A, and an Mp15ac switching nearby. They were not hitched to any freight cars and I have no idea why they were there. I passed that yard nearly every day in the late 80s through mid 90s, and never saw one down there myself.

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Crabman1130 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:01 am
nyandw wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:36 pm
freightguy wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:14 pm
There is good amount of freight photos with the Geeps when they first appeared on the property.(Late 70’s)I don’t have links, but some of the newer books have photos of that also.
I have some photos here: http://www.trainsarefun.com/NYA/nyafreight.htm
Steve, do you have any pics when they were in LIRR service?
None... :-(

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Al Castelli was kind enough to send this gem:
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LI City Yard A GP38-2 #250, #253 - View E c.1978 Photo: Henry Maywald Archive: Al Castelli

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That is a fantastic picture!!!!!!!!!
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It was explained by Gene Collura a retired LIRR Yardmaster a lot of photos like that were probably on a weekend as the LIRR couldn’t afford to shed that much motive power during the normal commuting weekdays. Also when you saw like 4 or 5 Alco L2’s lashed up the same scenario probably on a weekend.
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