C1 and C3 Bilevels

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C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by nyandw » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:03 pm

Working on this: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/C1-C3% ... 20Cars.htm

Anyone know the cars numbers of the C1 and C3 cars, and when the C3s began service? Thank you.

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:51 am

pretty sure google has some reference to roster info.
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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by MACTRAXX » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:01 am

Steve:

The 10 C1 bilevel cars date from 1990/91 - Tokyu Car Company of Japan.
There were five married pairs: 3001/3002; 3003/3004; 3005/3006; 3007/3008 and 3009/3010.
They were equipped with MU couplers requiring specially-modified Diesel locomotives for service.

The C3 cars were built by Kawasaki in 1997-98. All use 480VAC and can run at LIRR MAS of 80/65 mph.
C3 Cab Car 5001-5023 - Weight 149,652 - Total 23.
C3 TT Car 4001-4087 - Weight 145,681 - Total 44 (odd number cars with lavatory)
C3 T Car 4002-4134 - Weight 141,270 - Total 67 (even number cars)

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by nyandw » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:16 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:51 am
pretty sure google has some reference to roster info.
The actual numbers have been elusive...

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by jhdeasy » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:38 am

Good subject for a page at your website.

I like the photo of 614 alongside 5014 at Montauk. A “relieve the watch” moment at the end of the era of Pullman Standard push-pull cars.

I must admit the C-3 cars hold no particular appeal for me. I never rode on them. Maybe I will someday on a future visit to NY.

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by mp15ac » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:42 am

I rode the C3's a few ties. They are very comfortable, and quieter than the MU's.

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by JamesRR » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:51 am

I recall riding the C3s for the first time in 2002. Man, the A/C was insane! I seem to recall hearing it was because the temp sensors were near the doors, and when open, the entering heat threw them off. Not sure if that's why, but you could hang meat in there at the time.

Nice cars - I always found it intriguing that the windows on the C3s look like the ones found on the old M1/M3 cars. And yet on the new M7s an all new window design was introduced.

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by nyandw » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:52 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:01 am
"...The 10 C1 bilevel cars date from 1990/91 -They were equipped with MU couplers requiring specially-modified Diesel locomotives for service. The C3 cars were built by Kawasaki in 1997-98. All use 480VAC and can run at LIRR MAS of 80/65 mph...".MACTRAXX
Further exploration: The photo has a FL9 consist in August 1998. C3s began delivery 1997-98 utilizing DM30xx motive power.
1. Is the photo an odd incident? As I understand NO Fl9s with C3s.
2. When would a C3 consist appear in Port Jeff, then?

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by edflyerssn007 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:06 am

That FL9 appears to be with C1's. According to wikipedia the C1s were sold in 1999.

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by 452 Card » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:33 am

Steve,
That pic of the 302 is on #1 West at Port Jefferson, not eastbound. The main is just north of the consist in the picture. After the new yard was completed, the layup moved to that location east of Columbia Street. The FL-9ACs were created specifically for trial purposes for use with the lone C1 consist to evaluate the feasibility of a one-seat ride to PSNY on the Port Jefferson branch. The commuters there, at the time, were very disgruntled that no electrification was planned to happen anytime soon, as had happened on the Main Line from KO west. Most of them just drove and parked at the nearest station to their homes on the Main Line to avoid the "Huntington Shuffle". This caused parking nightmares at these stations. An example too is Patchogue; after the KO job was complete, the once-crowded PD parking became sparse when the crowd went to KO for the one-seat ride (and long nap).
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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by nyandw » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:44 pm

Thank you. Are they any spotting differences to tell the C1s from the C3s in photos? (beside the numbers!)

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by BuddR32 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:53 am

nyandw wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:44 pm
Thank you. Are they any spotting differences to tell the C1s from the C3s in photos? (beside the numbers!)
Yes. The local door indicating lights on the C3 are adjacent to the doors and there are four lights. The C1 has them above the door center and there are only two.

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by edflyerssn007 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:30 am

nyandw wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:44 pm
Thank you. Are they any spotting differences to tell the C1s from the C3s in photos? (beside the numbers!)
The ends of the C3s also have a slightly different profile. The roof on the C3 has a slightly lowered profile on either end.

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by nyandw » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:53 pm

From Mike Boland: C1 cars have a "bottom fluting" that run the entire length of the car as does a boxcar, similar to late PRR boxcars like the X51, 55 and 56.
The C3 "bottom fluting" is tapered and begins just past the truck on each car and runs between them.

Makes it easy "as pie" to "spot 'em" :-) Thanks everyone.

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Re: C1 and C3 Bilevels

Post by nyandw » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:13 pm

What is a diesel train doing operating on the electrified Port Washington branch? View is NE towards the Flushing River. Note the former W&J Sloan Furniture Co. tower with U-Haul sign and Flushing EL with #7 train operating along Roosevelt Ave. bridge.?

Perhaps it is very early in the usage/testing cycle. Prior to actual use on the PJ Branch?



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