M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Post by geico » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:01 am

Fan Railer wrote:Still ironing out software bugs. Something with the doors not behaving.
lovely... more computer controlled garbage.... and i am an IT guy

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Post by bellstbarn » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:04 pm

A train of cars with bold diagonal blue stripes (Prince Andrew style?) slid east through Wantagh about 11:20 a.m. today, June 20, 2019.

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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Post by geico » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:44 pm

On test run #160000 of ??????

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Post by gregorygrice » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:37 pm

geico wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:44 pm
On test run #160000 of ??????
Yup :-D 160000 out of ∞.

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Post by R36 Combine Coach » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:48 pm

By comparison, it only took two months for the first M-1s to enter service. The first 16 rolled out of the Red Lion Road assembly plant October '68, already in service by late December.
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Post by Head-end View » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:33 pm

Yes the M-1's were rushed into service without sufficient testing and promptly started breaking down. Huge numbers of them were sidelined for many months in 1969-70 to do repairs and modifications to their propulsion systems. I think LIRR/MTA would prefer not to repeat that debacle from the Summer of 1970 where due to shortage of rolling stock, a half dozen trains were cancelled every rush hour for the whole summer.

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Post by gregorygrice » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:48 pm

That was 1968, this is 2019. We've gone over this PLENTY of times already...

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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Post by geico » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:50 am

There has to be a happy medium between 2 months (probably not enough) to over a year for the M9s. Either Kawasaki needs to get its stuff together or these cars will be needing overhauls before we see them in revenue service.

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Post by Backshophoss » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:23 pm

Believe there's pressure on the MTA/LIRR/Kawasaki to "get this right the first time" on the M-9 debut to service.
This is most likely commimg from Albany,and/or the Governor's office.
NO matter what happens,there will be "teething"problems that will show up on in service M-9's
The more bugs caught in testing,the less chance of an in service failure with passengers on board!!!

Then Goc Rockerfeller was putting pressure on PC and LIRR to get the M-1's on line,LIRR's failures got more press then the M-1
"crap outs" were on the PC commuter lines.

Not too long ago. Metrolink (SCAX) had a public debut of EMD's F-125,that did not go well,the on board computers failed enroute.
Both SCAX and EMD got "egged" in the press on the F-125 failed debut.
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Post by geico » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:21 am

Obviously a complicated piece of machinery, a year of bugs seems to be a quality control issue.....

Who's paying the LIRR salaries of all the people doing the testing?

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Post by R36 Combine Coach » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:42 pm

]The R179s had the pilot unit (prototype) in 2015, also behind schedule. The R46s (then the most complex subway cars built outside of WMATA or BART) in the 1970s were some two/three years late (last car of 754 delivered December 1978, full fleet in service in 1979).

Are the technicians doing the testing all LIRR employees or are Kawasaki engineers on the property too to oversee delivery/acceptance?
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Post by gregorygrice » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:06 pm

geico wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:21 am
Obviously a complicated piece of machinery, a year of bugs seems to be a quality control issue.....

Who's paying the LIRR salaries of all the people doing the testing?
Kawasaki employees perform the testing under LIRR supervision. LIRR crews run the train. So any delays are at a lost to Kawasaki because in the end they are paying for all of it.

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Post by trainspot » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:34 am

When SEPTA got their Silverliner V’s Rotem ended up buying them an ALP-44 for damages!

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Post by MACTRAXX » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:28 pm

trainspot wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:34 am
When SEPTA got their Silverliner V’s Rotem ended up buying them an ALP-44 for damages!
Trainspot (TD): ALP44 2308 was a "gift" from Alstom back in 1995 for the long delay of the Norristown High
Speed Line N5 cars - and was just retired by SEPTA in the past year. The Rotem Silverliner Five cars are only
about eight years old (2012) - I believe Rotem had to pay SEPTA for the defects sidelining these cars...
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Post by trainspot » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:46 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:28 pm
[quote=trainspot post_id=<a href="tel:1512007">1512007</a> time=<a href="tel:1561300495">1561300495</a> user_id=503]
When SEPTA got their Silverliner V’s Rotem ended up buying them an ALP-44 for damages!
Trainspot (TD): ALP44 2308 was a "gift" from Alstom back in 1995 for the long delay of the Norristown High
Speed Line N5 cars - and was just retired by SEPTA in the past year. The Rotem Silverliner Five cars are only
about eight years old (2012) - I believe Rotem had to pay SEPTA for the defects sidelining these cars...
MACTRAXX
[/quote]
Thanks for the correction MACTRAXX!

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