Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Discussion related to commuter rail and transit operators in California past and present including Los Angeles Metrolink and Metro Subway and Light Rail, San Diego Coaster, Sprinter and MTS Trolley, Altamont Commuter Express (Stockton), Caltrain and MUNI (San Francisco), Sacramento RTD Light Rail, and others...

Moderator: lensovet

Jeff Smith
Site Admin
Posts: 8535
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:28 am
Location: If it's Tuesday, It Must Be Belgium

Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by Jeff Smith » Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:11 am

RailwayAge.com: Caltrain increasing Stadler EMU order
Caltrain is acquiring 37 additional Stadler double-deck EMU cars for the San Francisco – San Jose electrification project.

The Caltrain board on Dec. 6 approved exercising an option in the original 2016 contract with Stadler that will enable it to lengthen the 16 trainsets on order from six to seven cars and add three more seven-car trainsets to the fleet.

Under the 2016 deal, Caltrain can purchase the extra vehicles at the original price of $174.6 million, provided the option is exercised by the end of 2018.
...
Next stop, Willoughby
~el Jefe ("Jeff Smith Rules") :: RAILROAD.NET Site Administrator/Co-Owner

User avatar
rohr turbo
Posts: 233
Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:44 pm
Location: palo alto, ca

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by rohr turbo » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:51 pm

Nice article with pictures of Caltrain EMUs actually being built in Sacramento:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/17/ ... h-stadler/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
CALTRAIN08.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Tadman
Posts: 9599
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:21 am

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by Tadman » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:36 pm

i think that’s actually in Salt Lake, Sacramento is Siemens
Dig the new rr.net Instagram account: @railroad_dot_net

ExCon90
Posts: 4500
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:22 pm

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by ExCon90 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:29 pm

True; the headline on the link says so.

Backshophoss
Posts: 6323
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by Backshophoss » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:33 pm

Article paywalled! :P
The Land of Enchantment is not Flyover country!

User avatar
rohr turbo
Posts: 233
Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:44 pm
Location: palo alto, ca

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by rohr turbo » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:00 pm

Tadman wrote:i think that’s actually in Salt Lake, Sacramento is Siemens
Oops! Darn autocorrect! :)

mtuandrew
Posts: 6080
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:59 am
Location: the Manassas Gap Independent Line

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by mtuandrew » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:13 pm

Backshophoss wrote:Article paywalled! :P
Huh, I didn’t have any trouble at least on my phone.

These cars are only 45 tons?? That’s lighter than an unpowered Amfleet, about 60 tons; lighter yet than a Siemens Viaggio coach at appx 65 tons; and far lighter than a Superliner or California car at 75 tons apiece. I don’t know how heavy the BBD MLV power cars will be - 80 tons? The only American MUs I can think of in the same weight class are (were) the Silverliner I (Pioneer III), II, and III.

electricron
Posts: 4695
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:35 pm

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by electricron » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:35 pm

That is the advantage of using aluminum vs steel for the body shells.
Steel is 2.5 times more dense than aluminum.

mtuandrew
Posts: 6080
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:59 am
Location: the Manassas Gap Independent Line

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by mtuandrew » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:34 pm

electricron wrote:That is the advantage of using aluminum vs steel for the body shells.
Steel is 2.5 times more dense than aluminum.
The Silverliners were made of stainless and weighed less! Apples to oranges, but still. Stadler saves most of its weight by refusing to overbuild to meet traditional FRA rules. (Also - are these cars shorter than 85 feet? I can’t tell.)

electricron
Posts: 4695
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:35 pm

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by electricron » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:07 am

mtuandrew wrote:The Silverliners were made of stainless and weighed less! Apples to oranges, but still. Stadler saves most of its weight by refusing to overbuild to meet traditional FRA rules. (Also - are these cars shorter than 85 feet? I can’t tell.)
Here's some data and some math to answer your question on length.
https://www.stadlerrail.com/media/pdf/kcal0716us.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
length over coupling = 515' 3" (157100 mm) with 6 sections or cars
math using english measurements = 515 feet / 6 cars = 85.833 feet/car
math using metric measurements = 157,100 mm / 6 cars = 26,183 mm/car or 26.183 m/car

Tadman
Posts: 9599
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:21 am

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by Tadman » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:36 am

Did the JPB/Caltrain folks ever discuss why they ordered a new fleet when they could've ordered a fleet of ACS to pull existing gallery cars? A lot of those gallery cars are fairly new, and I think the oldest are from 1985-ish. Compare that to Metra with 1950's stock still rolling.
Dig the new rr.net Instagram account: @railroad_dot_net

The EGE
Posts: 2606
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:16 pm
Location: Waiting for the N Judah

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by The EGE » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:05 pm

At the time of ordering, the plan was to eventually convert to high-platform operation along with CAHSR. That would absolutely require new rolling stock. It's now uncertain whether that will happen as CAHSR is in doubt, but the EMUs have distinct benefits of faster acceleration compared to loco-hauled trains, as well as potential grade advantages for the proposed second Transbay Tube. There would have been substantial new rolling stock required anyway due to the increased frequencies.

Some of the diesel locomotives and existing bilevel cars absolutely will remain in service - they're needed for Gilroy service. I suspect you'll see other equipment bought up - ACE may very well be interested in the Bombardier cars.

Tadman
Posts: 9599
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:21 am

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by Tadman » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:08 am

Interesting, I guess I forgot about the Gilroy extension staying diesel. Will this be a shuttle like Danbury MNCR? Also, given the acceleration improvements and frequency increases, will they drop the fleeting/zone schedule?
Dig the new rr.net Instagram account: @railroad_dot_net

andrewjw
Posts: 442
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:48 am

Re: Caltrain Stadler EMU Acquisition - Status and Updates

Post by andrewjw » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:11 pm

Tadman wrote:Interesting, I guess I forgot about the Gilroy extension staying diesel. Will this be a shuttle like Danbury MNCR? Also, given the acceleration improvements and frequency increases, will they drop the fleeting/zone schedule?
I believe the plan is to run Gilroy trains all the way to 4th and King making some kind of express pattern (probably many stops near San Jose, fewer to the north). With just two tracks, and demand for expresses, fleeting / zoning will probably continue but they can pack more trains in.

I would also be unsurprised if Metra picks up some of the gallery cars.

Return to “California Commuter & Transit”