Lake Shore Limited

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Safetee
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by Safetee » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:39 pm

i'm guessing that the steaming tender could be purchased and rehabbed for a lot less than the far far uglier springfield station.

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by jonnhrr » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:15 am

Safetee wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:39 pm
i'm guessing that the steaming tender could be purchased and rehabbed for a lot less than the far far uglier springfield station.
Good luck persuading the owners to move their railroad themed restaurant elsewhere after they spent a ton of money rehabbing the place.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by Safetee » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:54 pm

well given the fact that my self imposed palmer station cap will not exceed 74 million, i have to believe that a deal could be worked out with the owner and still have oodles of buckos left over to make the place fully compliant, handicapped accessible etc, and what the heck the ex owner can keep the restaurant going if they like, given the fact that in five years the lake shore dining experience will be down to day old pbjs and 2 % milk.

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by Ken W2KB » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:34 pm

jonnhrr wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:15 am
Safetee wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:39 pm
i'm guessing that the steaming tender could be purchased and rehabbed for a lot less than the far far uglier springfield station.
Good luck persuading the owners to move their railroad themed restaurant elsewhere after they spent a ton of money rehabbing the place.
If they refuse to sell at a reasonable price Amtrak can acquire it by exercise of its federal eminent domain authority. The applicable statute reads as follows:
"(a)General Authority.—
(1) To the extent financial resources are available, Amtrak may acquire by eminent domain under subsection (b) of this section interests in property—
(A) necessary for intercity rail passenger transportation, except property of a rail carrier, a State, a political subdivision of a State, or a governmental authority; or
(B) requested by the Secretary of Transportation in carrying out the Secretary’s duty to design and build an intermodal transportation terminal at Union Station in the District of Columbia if the Secretary assures Amtrak that the Secretary will reimburse Amtrak.
(2)Amtrak may exercise the power of eminent domain only if it cannot—
(A) acquire the interest in the property by contract; or
(B) agree with the owner on the purchase price for the interest."
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by CHTT1 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:48 pm

Wouldn't it be simpler just to build a small new station? Why close a going business just to get ahold of an old building that probably has all kinds of problems?

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by mtuandrew » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:06 pm

There’s certainly more room on that plot of land for a small shelter (separate or attached) and a platform on the B&A, as well as Amtrak or MBTA parking. No need to eminent domain the property, and Amtrak would have a hard time convincing a judge under A-1-(a) of that statute that they need to reuse that station versus building a new one next door.

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by Safetee » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:10 pm

the beauty of the palmer station is that it is in fact a beautiful extremely well built historic structure and if the mass to new london service ever actually happens, it could kill two birds with one stone.

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by Rockingham Racer » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:56 am

Safetee wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:10 pm
the beauty of the palmer station is that it is in fact a beautiful extremely well built historic structure and if the mass to new london service ever actually happens, it could kill two birds with one stone.
I believe that proposal was to use the P&W line between Worcester and New London, the former State of Maine Express route. There is no proper connection at Palmer to be able to run a train down to New London on the NECR without doing a reverse move at Palmer.

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by Safetee » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:09 am

i borrowed the following from the Palmer passenger rail advocacy page.

"Palmer is also on the Central Corridor Rail Line, running from New London, Connecticut to Brattleboro, Vermont. Restored passenger service on the Central Corridor would connect students at both the University of Massachusetts in Amherst and at the University of Connecticut in Storrs to east-west trains through Palmer."

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by Greg Moore » Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:58 pm

Incidentally, the other day Amtrak Marketing posted a link to a blog comment on Facebook promoting the Lake Shore Limited:
https://www.facebook.com/Amtrak/posts/10157285446564014

Let's just say they got savaged (and not just by me.)

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by aednichols » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:10 pm

Business class on 448/449 has disappeared from the booking system after October 1. Anyone know what the deal is?

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by gokeefe » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:39 pm

Sounds like redeployment elsewhere ... Is this normally a full length Amfleet (not 1/2 seats and 1/2 lounge-cafe)?
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by aednichols » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:48 pm

No, it is normally a half-café.

Replacing it with a full café actually makes sense between Chicago and Albany now that it’s the only option for coach passengers.

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by gokeefe » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:49 pm

Wow, imagine that ... a service improvement through service reduction.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Post by aednichols » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:57 pm

On my usual BOS/SYR route I always took the $25 b/c upgrade, it was an excellent value. Used the free alcoholic beverage to score an otherwise $14 half-bottle of wine.

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