Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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Our group keeps hoping that the Day train ATL - WASH routed thru Raleigh and use the "S" line to Richmond and then WASH. That schedule time might be at least 1 hour quicker than the present Crescent route. Using present Carolinian route probably same time as Crescent route? .

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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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Interesting question ... Is the S-Line faster from RGH to PTB?
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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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gokeefe wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:16 pm
Interesting question ... Is the S-Line faster from RGH to PTB?
According to NCDOT it will be more than an hour faster than the current NCRR to A line route.

I -think- that the S line will still be a marginally slower trip from CLT-WAS than the Crescent route (but that wasn't really the question).
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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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njt/mnrrbuff wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:12 am
I just remembered that if any catenary is being considered on the RF&P, it would have to meet the clearance of not only double-stack CSX trains, but the VRE trains as well as the Amtrak Auto Train which uses Superliners. I know that the superliners can operate under the catenary at WAS. Daily, there are gallery cars that run through that 1st Street Tunnel and when the Cardinal uses Superliners, that train does as well.
Right, I’ve been considering that too. I assume that Auto Train could continue to operate on CSX rather than moving to state-owned rails, since it operates more or less as a freight train anyway. That means the new lines won’t need to have double-stack or tri-level auto carrier clearance, only Superliner or Gallery clearance.
njt/mnrrbuff wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:12 am
When the increased Amtrak train frequencies begin, people who are heading to Richmond on daytrips will have more options. For those who are spending a day in the Downtown area will have plenty of flexibility as they wouldn't have to leave DC or northern Virginia too early and then get back super late.
Absolutely looking forward to this.

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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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Bob Roberts wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:44 pm
According to NCDOT it will be more than an hour faster than the current NCRR to A line route.
WOW. That would be a huge gain.
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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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I notice in the RF&P map that the track takes a dogleg from Guinea to Pinola then back to Ruther Glen. I don't know what the population density is around there, but a high speed passenger line could go straight between Guinea and Ruther Glen and probably cut time between Richmond and DC.

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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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jcpatten wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:22 pm
I notice in the RF&P map that the track takes a dogleg from Guinea to Pinola then back to Ruther Glen. I don't know what the population density is around there, but a high speed passenger line could go straight between Guinea and Ruther Glen and probably cut time between Richmond and DC.
There’s a utility corridor that crosses the RF&P just south of Claiborne that starts drifting west, but in a mostly-straight line. It connects to the I-95 right of way at Nancy Wright’s Corner, which could easily carry a high speed route to Ruther Glen. If for whatever reason the I-95 median isn’t an acceptable option (though I think it is the best future option), there’s a pair of utility corridors that are a little more direct, branching off near Claiborne and crossing CSX a couple miles north of Ruther Glen both north and south of Coleman’s Mill Crossing.

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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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The route from DC to Richmond is very important from a business perspective.
Some years ago I attended a presentation in Ashland, Va., and if I recall correctly the main speaker was Boardman and it was sponsored by the Richmond Chamber of Commerce. Someone from the chamber said that the number-one problem with the Amtrak service was reliability. I-95 was unpredictable, and the airport in Sandston, Va., is southeast of the city and away from much of the business development, which is mostly downtown and on the west side. The business people wanted fast, reliable train service between Washington and Richmond.

As someone who has used the Fredericksburg and Alexandria stations countless times, I agree that unreliability is far and away the biggest problem. Amtrak may be right on time or it may be two hours late. If the state RF&P purchase makes the service reliable and, furthermore, faster and more frequent, business people will use it.
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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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As I mentioned, both DC and Richmond are capitol cities. In addition, they are 107 miles from each other and obviously have trains running between them. The punctuality of Amtrak is hit or miss. When it is on time, it is on time a lot. However, there have been many times when it has been very late, especially south of DC, thanks to CSX. I'm sure that there are many business people who use the train from DC to Richmond but it all depends on where their meetings are. Being that a lot more trains stop at Staples Mill Road Station, I don't think I would be too pleased if I had to go to Downtown Richmond for my meeting as I would have to take an Uber ride that is eight miles. When more trains stop at Richmond Main Street Station, I hope that Staples Mill Road Station still remains open as that station serves Henrico and the other Richmond western suburbs well.

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Re: Amtrak NEC Virginia Regional Service

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RVR Staples Mill is 100% part of the long term plan and as illustrated in the graphic showing phased service additions, exsing trains will be rerouted south of RVR to cross the James on a different bridge so as to add RVM (Main St) and new trains all stop at both RVR and RVM.
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