Illinois Amtrak Service

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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by Tadman » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:09 am

That is my interpretation of the story as well. 88 cars for Illini, Saluki, IL Zephyr, River Runner, Blue Water, and Wolverine. Another recent order will go for Hiawatha but the builder has not been awarded as it's a week old or so. I'd advocate for gallery cars for a 90-minute "almost commuter" ride but they don't pay me the big bucks to figure this stuff out. There are quite a few trains operated with commuter density equipment that have longer rides, such as Montauk, South Bend, and Port Jervis.


It's not clear if the Pere Marquette is on that 88 car pool, I seem to remember some sort of exception but maybe I'm dreaming. It usually operates either with the IL Zephyr equipment on turn or whatever they can scrounge out of 14th street, which has included Superliner, Horizon, Amfleet so far this year.
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by ExCon90 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:18 pm

Tadman wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:09 am
That is my interpretation of the story as well. 88 cars for Illini, Saluki, IL Zephyr, River Runner, Blue Water, and Wolverine. Another recent order will go for Hiawatha but the builder has not been awarded as it's a week old or so. I'd advocate for gallery cars for a 90-minute "almost commuter" ride but they don't pay me the big bucks to figure this stuff out. There are quite a few trains operated with commuter density equipment that have longer rides, such as Montauk, South Bend, and Port Jervis.
That would seem to be an ideal trial basis for a two-class service with business class on every train, without reservations, similar to European practice. No special services, but better seat spacing, and a fare differential to equalize revenue per car to quell objections from the egalitarians.

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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by gokeefe » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:30 pm

It would significantly damage the ability of the Midwest equipment pool to exchange cars as needed. My impression is that everyone out there is trying to standardize. Siemens looks like the best (and in some ways the only) choice.
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by ExCon90 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:14 pm

True, but I'd think the Hiawatha Corridor, with a major anchor at each end, has the ridership potential of several of the other corridors put together, and would be less likely to need to "raid" other corridors for equipment.

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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by gokeefe » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:25 pm

It depends on how they choose to manage the equipment pool. The whole point of a pool in the first place is to allow for reduced requirements for spare cars.
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by Rockingham Racer » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:00 pm

What's the Quad Cities service going to use for equipment?

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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by eolesen » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:17 am

gokeefe wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:25 pm
It depends on how they choose to manage the equipment pool. The whole point of a pool in the first place is to allow for reduced requirements for spare cars.
Contract the Hiawatha out to Metra... fleet compatibility problems solved.

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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by John_Perkowski » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:16 pm

Rockingham Racer wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:00 pm
What's the Quad Cities service going to use for equipment?
What they should use is a bus from Galesburg...
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by electricron » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:51 am

Tadman wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:09 am
That is my interpretation of the story as well. 88 cars for Illini, Saluki, IL Zephyr, River Runner, Blue Water, and Wolverine. Another recent order will go for Hiawatha but the builder has not been awarded as it's a week old or so. I'd advocate for gallery cars for a 90-minute "almost commuter" ride but they don't pay me the big bucks to figure this stuff out. There are quite a few trains operated with commuter density equipment that have longer rides, such as Montauk, South Bend, and Port Jervis.


It's not clear if the Pere Marquette is on that 88 car pool, I seem to remember some sort of exception but maybe I'm dreaming. It usually operates either with the IL Zephyr equipment on turn or whatever they can scrounge out of 14th street, which has included Superliner, Horizon, Amfleet so far this year.
The Midwest cars will initially include 34 married pairs - 17 coach/cafe and 17 coach/business class - plus 20 single coaches. The business class and cafe cars will have two vestibules each, while the coaches will have one.

That's basically 17 train sets, with a minimum of 4 cars per train. The additional 20 stand alone coaches could add one or possibly up to two more cars to each train.
Should we make an attempt to count the number of train sets in use today?
Missouri - 1 by itself, 1 shared with Illinois. Lincoln -3 by itself, + the 1 shared with Missouri, Saluki and Illini - 2 train sets, Carl Sandburg and Illinois Zephyr - 2 train sets, Blue Water - 1 train set, Pierre Marquette - 1 train set, Wolverine -2 train sets minimum, 3 train sets maximum. My totals suggest Amtrak is using 13-14 train sets on a daily basis not including the Hiawatha trains, which are in the process of ordering their new cars this year.

That means they should have 3 to 4 train sets as spares, which could be used on possibly one or two new routes or more trains on existing routes.

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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Post by east point » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:05 pm

Married pairs ? There has always been the problem when one gets damaged beyond repair. Have no idea what MNRR and LIRR do when that happens ? However since the cars are all identical not much problem to link to another cars with such damage. With these married pairs being different configurations there may be problems when the odd ball unit does not have a planned mate to connect to ?.

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