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Post by Rockingham Racer » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:21 pm

Was reading at another site that Horizon cars in California are coming to Illinois for the newly-funded trains. Anybody know the start date for these new trains?

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Post by JamesT4 » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:09 am

Accoring to this link, the new amtrak illinois service will start on October 1st. ... leID=27910
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Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:38 pm

Something tells me that the horizon cars that are used on some of the Pacific Surfliner trains will be moved to Chi-town for the expanded service.

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Post by Engineer James » Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:59 pm

They gonna try to out do Metra??

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Post by John_Perkowski » Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:21 pm

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Post by jp1822 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:37 am

Hope they get some of the refurbished Horizons for these services. I for one hate the Horizon cars. I'll take an Amfleet any day. I think one of the reasons the Downeaster in Maine is successful is b/c of the comfortable equipment (ex-Amfleet Metroliner equipment). Sure hope Illinois gets a fare share.

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Post by amusing erudition » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:15 pm

Can someone point me to where I can find the schedule for these new services or at least tell me when it will be available?



Post by hsr_fan » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:37 pm

Aside from the lack of automatic doors, how are the Horizons worse than Amfleets? The accomodations look roughly the same. (The only Horizon car I've ever been in was a dinette on the Carolinian a few years back. Seemed just like an Amfleet cafe.)

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Amfleet over Horizon

Post by jp1822 » Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:22 pm

You need to ride in a Horizon coach and then compare it to an Amfleet coach (a refurbished Amfleet with the blue interior) - not a cafe comparison. I often take New Jersey Transit Rail into New York City. The Horizons are very similiar to New Jersey Transit's Comet cars. Overall, I find the Horizons ride much rougher than Amfleets and the Horizons have brighter lighting which is often annoying versus the Amfleets. Some of the refurbished Horizons have nice seating, but that's about it. Some of the refurbished Amfleets have nice seating as well. I mostly prefer the ride in an Amfleet over a Horizon car, perhaps its because it reminds me too much of my New Jersey Transit commutes as well! Both Horizon and Amfleets have about the same size windows, which are too small....

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Post by natethegreat » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:12 am

Amtrak has not announced a name or schedule for this train yet. I'm not sure about the Springfield or Quincy service, but I have an idea about the Carbondale trains. Possible times for the northbound have it leaving Carbondale in the early morning and arriving in Chicago in the early afternoon. The southbound would leave Chicago in the early morining and arrive in Carbondale in the early afternoon. Both trains would need to arrive at their destinations early enough to make the turn for the trip back that departs at 4 05pm.

Currently, most of the Illinois supported trains run with 3 or 4 horizons and a amfleet cafe. I've never had a problem with the Horizons, they're not as comfortable as a 60 seat amfleet coach, but they don't need to be. Most of these passengers are on these trains for less then 5 hours.

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Post by ne plus ultra » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:06 am

[quote="amusing erudition"]Can someone point me to where I can find the schedule for these new services or at least tell me when it will be available? -asg[/quote]

If you search Yahoo news for some combination of zephyr, amtrak, macomb, october and schedule, you'll find that the Macomb newspaper on Aug. 23rd published a tentative schedule that it got from Amtrak. However, the link now requires a $5 archive fee. I should have posted it when I found it.

At any rate, it seems that Amtrak does have a tentative schedule for the new train to Quincy (via Macomb), and that it will start at the end of October (not the beginning). I would assume the other schedules are available as well. I've been surprised that the two Illinois High Speed Rail advocate blogs have not been updating this story. Seems like it would help stir interest and ridership to keep the story fresh. Could it be that less than 60 days out, the plan isn't finalized?

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Post by ne plus ultra » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:07 pm

In Quincy, they're paving 13 more parking spaces at the depot in anticipation of the second daily run, which the Quincy Whig says will start "sometime in November."

They also say that Amtrak spokesman Magliari, who is apparently from Quincy, hopes to announce the exact times of the second run somtime this week.

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Post by Gilbert B Norman » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:11 am

Here is Associated Press coverage of a "pow-wow' between Mr. Kummant and Sen. Durbin (D-IL).

Lastly, this AP material contains a "disconcerting' caveat that I hope does not preclude setting a URL link to such in the future:

  • Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
To me, a URL link is simply saying "hey, here is where to find it" or analagous to the card catalog (well nowadays the computer terminal) at your local or college library, but reading material located with a URL link does not to me constitute redistribution.

I hope it doesn't to the Associated Press.

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Post by amusing erudition » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:09 am

Do they really need Amtrak for such short service as Chicago-Rockford? I know it's outside the normal service area, but that just seems like it would be more easily done by an extension to one of the Metra lines (not being totally familiar with the area, I'm not sure which one, but I'm going to guess either the UP-W or Milwaukee-W line)

If they're going to involve Amtrak, doesn't it make more sense to do it for a project where the state wouldn't have control, like full, interstate restoration of the Black Hawk to Dubuque? And is the IC line between Rockford and Chicago even still there?

To Mr. Norman: That's just scare tactics from the newspaper, just like the ones from Major League Baseball that say you can't describe the game. They can't reserve every right, just the ones that the government lets them reserve. Fair use, including linking and even reasonable excerpting is fine under 17 USC § 107, which exists to prevent exercise of the Copyright Clause from being blocked by the First Amendment.


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