Nope. Nothing that I've seen it heard makes me suspect that. This was an engineering failure on a new design from Nippon-Sharyo (remember the "pinched nose" diaphragms?). The bi-levels remained financially advantageous to the end. Shorter trains, fewer wheels, more people.
Moderators: GirlOnTheTrain, Amtrak67 of America, Tadman, gprimr1
- Posts: 11918
- Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:28 pm
- Location: Winthrop, Maine
- Posts: 8700
- Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:29 pm
- Location: New Zealand
- Posts: 5480
- Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:51 pm
BBD and CAF already can build full stainless shells in state (Plattsburgh and Elmira). NYS has a "made in NY" incentive program (see MTA for examples).
- Posts: 6316
- Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:58 pm
Alstrom is tied up with the Acela II's production
BBD is praying for that combined MN/ConnDOT MLV II clone order!
- Posts: 132
- Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:06 pm
Is that official or just your speculation? Certainly Amtrak and some of its current executives (others have moved on) haven't been fond of Bombardier's performance and past performance can be considered to determine if a bidder is "qualified."
I know Amtrak's spoken about one common PRIIA fleet for maintenance ease, but Siemens may be unable to supply the needs for all the states ready to buy cars. If NC or NY ends up with Bombardier coaches built to PRIIA single level specs, Amtrak will have little choice but to accept them.
On a different note, has NYS been working to increase speeds elsewhere on the Water Level Route? CSX had some "excessive" demands regarding track separation of dedicated high speed track, wrt. distance from their other tracks, while NY I believe only wanted to upgrade the existing route. I get that CSX (And NS in the case of Norfolk service) feel that there are fundamental incompatibilities with signal block length for slow freights and high speed passenger trains.
A lot of this was like three CEOs ago and the last CEO wanted to single track the route. Has NYS attempted to apply any leverage like property tax or corporate rebates or even threatened higher taxes to get what it wants? Or even threatened to park a National Guard tank across the RoW?
One plus is that the route is now PTC equipped so no need to install cab signalling. Maybe a few strategic NYS grants can at least get some class 5 track.
- Posts: 4659
- Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:35 pm
The problem with using force to get railroad companies to do the political will of the government, like blocking the tracks with a tank, is how the railroad companies will react. You block my tracks, I (as a company) will go on strike against you! I wonder how fast the State of New York could survive without any train services at all ? How long before they starve to death? How long before their generators use up their fuel stockpiles? A few well placed trains blocking highways would block other modes of resupply as well, like interstate trucks and trucks servicing harbors.WhartonAndNorthern wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:34 amOn a different note, has NYS been working to increase speeds elsewhere on the Water Level Route? CSX had some "excessive" demands regarding track separation of dedicated high speed track, wrt. distance from their other tracks, while NY I believe only wanted to upgrade the existing route. I get that CSX (And NS in the case of Norfolk service) feel that there are fundamental incompatibilities with signal block length for slow freights and high speed passenger trains.
A Has NYS attempted to apply any leverage like property tax or corporate rebates or even threatened higher taxes to get what it wants? Or even threatened to park a National Guard tank across the RoW?
Using forces is never the answer!
Raising taxes high enough to punish the railroad companies can also have just as bad results. If it is unprofitable for them to service you, they could decide to stop servicing you, pull up their tracks and signals, then abandon the right-of-way. Something they have done everywhere else when a rail corridor has become unprofitable to run or maintain.
Using too high taxes is never the answer!
I am not suggesting that is what they will do, but it is something they could do. Actions always have consequences, take the time to consider what could happen anytime you do something because what you expected may not be the results you wanted.
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8499
- Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:28 am
- Location: MP 67.2 Georgia Southern Railway
~Jeff Smith (fka "Sarge") :: RAILROAD.NET Site Administrator/Co-Owner
- Posts: 142
- Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:13 am
- Posts: 4136
- Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:55 am
- Location: Islandia,Long Island,NY
trackwork and renovation between September 9 and November 8, 2019. There is 9 days left for this
service change as of this post which ends on the weekend (Saturday-11/9) of 11/9 and 11/10.
https://www.amtrak.com/alert/whirlpool- ... rvice.html
Amtrak trains #63 and #64 are terminating at Niagara Falls, NY with a nonstop bus connection to Toronto.
I was surprised that no one mentioned this in any of the relevant topics previously...MACTRAXX