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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by lordsigma12345 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:40 pm

Woody wrote:
lordsigma12345 wrote:New Hartford line website http://www.hartfordline.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wish their damn map showed "Amtrak Connection to Boston and Albany". But it doesn't.
Only one remote mention of it on their whole website. In the schedule, 448 is listed as an arriving connection at Springfield for southbound Amtrak 479. No mention of 449 at all, and the schedule doesn't have a bar for connections in Springfield for the northbound trains.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by DutchRailnut » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:45 pm

so to translate for nincompoops , there is no connection.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by BandA » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:19 pm

Gosh, they need people to be aware that other rail services exist! As well as connecting bus services.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by Arborwayfan » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:53 pm

What would schedule look like to run SPG ' Greenfield ' PanAm towards Albany? How massive would the track upgrades have to be? PanAm extortionate I know, but maybe less hostile to multiple frequencies than CSX because a less busy route?

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by Rockingham Racer » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:37 pm

There really aren't many towns of notable size on either the B&A or the B&M, are there? Pittsfield and Chatham on the B&A would generate some traffic, I think. Pittsfield is touristy, as well. And the old B&M route down to Troy is long gone, too, I think.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by Greg Moore » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:56 pm

Rockingham Racer wrote:There really aren't many towns of notable size on either the B&A or the B&M, are there? Pittsfield and Chatham on the B&A would generate some traffic, I think. Pittsfield is touristy, as well. And the old B&M route down to Troy is long gone, too, I think.
Correct. It's B&A or nothing.

B&M is long gone, at least as far as access to Troy and Rensselaer.

Chatham and Pittsfield are both a bit touristy and definitely in the NYC weekender crowd.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by The EGE » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:00 pm

Westfield on the B&A would be worthwhile - it's a bit close to Springfield, but fairly large (41,000) and has Westfield State. Not suitable on the LSL, but a MA-centric intercity service should have it as a stop. On the B&M, you have Williamsburg and North Adams close to each other, plus the ex-Amtrak stops at Mechanicville and Watervliet (Troy), but that route is wayyy out of the way from the B&A. If it's ever decided that the B&M is worth passenger service - and honestly I think it could easily support a couple round trips - it'd be better to go the whole way to Boston so you can pick up Millers Falls, Orange, Athol, and Gardner. Not a fast service by any means, but Route 2 is a bear to drive especially in winter.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by Arlington » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:26 pm

Please: Pittsfield is best served by increased service to NYP via ALB. The trains follow the valleys and the Turnpikes cross the ridges. The train can win versus I-91 and cannot win versus I-90 (SPG-ALB)
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by GU1001 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:28 am

I think you meant Williamstown, not Williamsburg.
Williamsburg hasn’t had tracks for quite some time.
Williamstown is next to North Adams & is home to Williams College.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:30 am

If you want to travel from Pittsfield to NYC by of Amtrak, you might as well just drive to Rennselaer.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line in CT incl. poss. Greenfield ext

Post by David Benton » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:23 pm

Presuming you have a car, and can drive.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Post by Jeff Smith » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:46 pm

I've once again broadened the scope of the conversation since it's all somewhat tied in. I do, however, want to point out that there is an Inland Route topic as well:

http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=75267" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Post by Jeff Smith » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:21 am

Yowza: From Trains.com

Brief, fair-use:
CSX reviewing 8,000 miles of rail lines for potential sale

CSX is expected to put a handful of subdivisions on the block every few weeks, according to people familiar with the matter.

Routes under review include:
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The former Boston & Albany main and related branch lines in Massachusetts.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Post by gokeefe » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:02 pm

Yeah no kidding ... I'm curious if this is the right topic ... Perhaps it should be a separate discussion as "Potential Sale of ex-B&A" in the New England forum especially given the implications for passenger operations beyond Amtrak and the affected freight only branch lines.

Even if it stays in this forum I would imagine a separate topic is in order (same proposed title) given the understandably lengthy discussion that seems likely to ensue.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Post by deathtopumpkins » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:37 pm

Do we know if the intent is just to sell out to states, etc. to reduce the tax burden, or to sell off entirely to a shortline, competitor, etc.?

And after reading through that list, what ISN'T CSX selling!?
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