Congratulations on Silver Meatier. Perfect.mtuandrew wrote:If it’s the Silver Starve, it ought to be the Silver Meatier
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My hypothesis: Given on already paying the fixed costs for the diner, the marginal revenue of a sleeper passenger on the Meteor is probably higher than that on the Star, so they'd rather have more Meteor passengers than more Star passengers.F40CFan wrote:Then I would think if the Star is considered a sleeper passenger magnet, I'd transfer one of the sleepers from the Meteor over to the Star and cash in until CAF delivers the new sleepers.
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I'm in this exact same boat. I'm 36 and I travel almost only for business. I avoid the buffs holding court in the diner/lounge because, among other things, half their information is a bit off usually.Mackensen wrote:I found it rather telling that Bob Johnston at Trains wrote several pieces on the changes, dwelt at length on the supposed difficulty passengers were having with the packaging (I did not observe such and had no real problems myself), and avoided the question of food quality. Make of that what you will. Admittedly, I'm an atypical sleeper passenger. I travel on business. I'm under 40. I've had good times in the dining car but I could take it or leave it as a social function (I could definitely leave listening to railfans in their 60s and 70s complaining about management).Tadman wrote:Agreed. Most of the bad news has been anecdotal and come from three sources - Trains Mag, PTJ, and NARP. Most of their writers and personnel seem to be of the same mind: "We must preserve A-day which has the mission of preserving 1959". Hard pass... makes no sense and probably doesn't make financial sense either.
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I also don't know what trips you're taking, but on the trips I've taken, it's generally older people (in fact most of the people who ever end up on the train in sleeper are), or families. Everyone seemed to be aware of the changes to the food (it was a topic of conversation at most meals at at least one table, sometimes more), but there were no foamers to be found. I tend to eat on the late side. Most recently the only people in the diner were a guy and his kid (I had got the feeling they hadn't ridden before), two older couples, a younger woman alone with her iPad, and a guy who was apparently telling everyone he ate with the same story about some wild night he once had (our companion at a meal gestured that she'd heard it the night before).
Anyway, this still has nothing to do with delivery or production, but if other folks are going to spin a narrative, or attempt to discredit others', I think it's fair to dispute it.
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I have been riding Amtrak long distance trains since 1977 mainly because I enjoy train travel. Our most recent trip on Train #448 has made me and my wife reconsider traveling on the Lake Shore Limited or Capitol Limited in the future.
We departed Chicago on Train #448 on August 1. In the train was the new Viewliner dining car "Harrisburg". The breakfast offering was beyond bad: the fruit was not ripe and the portions too large. I am not a big fan of yogurt, so "breakfast" consisted of some of the fruit and the muffin. Train #448 then experienced two extensive delays between Erie and Buffalo causing us to depart Buffalo 4 hours 15 minutes late. The beef short rib for lunch was "passable", but at least it was a hot option. At no point during our trip did we ever observe more that 6 or 8 people in the dining car.
CSX did a good job keeping us moving along, but Train #448 was still 3 hours 45 minutes late upon departing Rensselaer. My wife and I could not stand the thought of three of those boxed meals in the same trip, so upon departing Rensselaer we went to the cafe car. (By now, some sleeping car passengers were ordering off of the children's menu just for the sake of change). Even though the train still had nearly 5 hours to travel before reaching Boston (our destination was Springfield, MA), the cafe car was out of just about everything and we were fortunate to get the last couple of hot dogs. Looks like the car was never restocked in Rensselaer...
Let me conclude by saying that if it is the long term goal of Amtrak to alienate long time customers and discourage repeat business, I say to them "Congratulations". Their plan is working. As mentioned by the previous poster, it is no longer an enjoyable experience and simply not worth the cost of the sleeping car accommodations.
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Confirmed: O/S GUNPOW @ 20:49Train2009 wrote:Viewliner diner 68020 is traveling right now as I speak on the back of Train #137 as per a post on Facebook's Amtrak Northeast Corridor Railfans.
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That car was sitting on the storage track in South Hampton St yard for at least a month now, was added to 137 yesterday am and sent packing.ApproachMedium wrote:yea i saw it on there from train 90. Where was this car coming from? They have not started any service back up south of richmond yet.
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20 - Providence has been on the property "for a while"; the remaining undelivered Diners are 00 Albany, 10 Dover, and 11 Frankfort.Backshophoss wrote:This might be a car finally cut loose by CAF quietly.
Undelivered are thirty seven cars; 25 Sleepers, 9 Dorms, 3 Diners.
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