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 #617725  by AlanB
 
There are no Superliner sleepers running on the Michigan trains, so no impact there.

No perhaps the trains that use Superliner equipment are seeing sold out coaches this week give or take a few days, but I'm pretty sure that they aren't otherwise sold out for the next two months or the bulk of December.
 #617870  by jp1822
 
AlanB wrote:There are no Superliner sleepers running on the Michigan trains, so no impact there.

No perhaps the trains that use Superliner equipment are seeing sold out coaches this week give or take a few days, but I'm pretty sure that they aren't otherwise sold out for the next two months or the bulk of December.

AlanB - This is what led me to comment:

"As for where the Superliner's come from, this isn't peak season for Amtrak overall."

Sleepers are at capacity or sold out these last couple of weeks in December, and into the first week of the New Year. Agree that coaches may have flexibility in where they are running between corridor and long distance trains. But that's not to say the Capitol Limited is not completely sold out on certain days. Granted its not every day in the period mentioned. I actually ran into problems booking a train this upcoming week.
 #686082  by railroaddumdum49
 
I'm kinda railroad stupid so feel free to trash my idea. Michigan City ,Indiana has three different passenger trains running thru its city limits, ( Pierre Marquette, Wolverine, and NICTD). The Wolverine passes over the Pierre Marquette in New Buffalo Mich. and meets again in Chesterton IN on the Norfolk Southern line. Would a merge in New Buffalo make Amtrak more efficient? Could Amtrak abandon the northern line in Michigan City ? Could NICTD use the abandoned swing bridge? I'm curious, because NICTD wants to rip the town up to comply with some law.
 #686261  by Tadman
 
It's a nice idea because it makes sense, but here are your hurdles, speaking as a person living in the area and with contacts in the industry.

1. There is no physical connection in New Buffalo, it's a 50' drop from a bridge. That's a $1m+ project for one train.
2. The swing bridge is used by 8+ trains/day, including 3 Detroit trains, 1 Port Huron, and 1 South Shore Freight train.
3. The NICTD tracks are at capacity and any extra passenger trains from Amtrak would require complete double tracking and maybe a third track at places.
4. Amtrak's Detroit line uses cab signal, and the NICTD has cab signal installed but not used yet - they're waiting to see if PTC is mandated before using cab signal. I can't speak to the compatibility or lack thereof between NICTD and Amtrak cab signals.
 #686288  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Possibly to expand the scope of this topic 'a bit', New Buffalo MI, unlike its larger neighbor, Michigan City IN some ten miles to the West, is a growing vacation destination community. There is casino gaming, a number of lakeview condominium developments, and an array of national brand hotels - all within a comparatively compact downtown area.

This is of course in contrast with "staid and stagnant" Michigan City, whose Downtown impresses me as a wasteland. While I am not a boat owner, there is "just something" to me "not right" about having to dock or moor a boat either at a public marina or a yacht club under the face of a large electric power generator (coal fired; great for railroad transportation, not so great for the boat owners).

Both Mr. Dunville and i know of at least one gin mill to the East of town that is "not too worried' about enforcement of whatever smoking laws are on the books within the jurisdiction; I'm not about to be hanging around there to see to what extent the patrons "know when to say when" at about Midnight on a weekend.

OK so much for "knocking'; let's look at the positive, or what Amtrak has tried to do to serve New Buffalo (as noted Michigan city has frequent South Shore - NICTD - service, where one can be treated to the paradox of riding the newest railcars in North America down city streets - as in Toonerville Trolley). Amtrak would like to have two of its "four a day' stop at a Downtown station that would be within walking distance of the previously noted entertainment attractions. Presently the Chicago-Grand Rapids "Pere Marquette" stops at an Amshack to the South of town - albeit adjacent to a railroad museum.

However, construction of this station has been deadlocked for at least two years, or at least that is when "service to begin....TBA" began showing up in Amtrak timetables. Exactly why is unclear, but there have been suggestions that ADA interests are requiring that the station have hi-level (48") platforms so that an ADA covered person could board or alight a train using whatever car they choose. This would of course preclude Amtrak from operating any kind of bi-level equipment on the route (Superliners are often assigned to Michigan trains during the Winter). Furthermore, the sponsors of the project - the municipality I believe - find that hi-level platforms will make the project "cost prohibitive'.

So here goes where Amtrak is trying to do it right offering service to an expanding ridership base, but is apparently being blocked by the interests of one relatively small constituency. "O tempora O mores".
 #686388  by railroaddumdum49
 
If the Wolverine merged onto the CSX line the Pierre Marquette uses ( which CSX people have recently placed 1' dia pipes with wires connected to the rails ; spaced about 1/4 mile apart) Amtrak could vacate the Michigan Central . NICTD then wouldn't have to share the swing bridge with Amtrak. Currently the old Michigan Central line doesn't have those fancy white posts along the road.
 #686413  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Mr Dumdum, possibly you are unaware, but Amtrak owns the Michigan Central line between Porter and Kalamazoo. Again, regardless of ownership, as both Mr. Dunville and I noted in separate postings, there is still the matter of no physical interchange between the MC and the PM at New Buffalo.
 #687326  by ravenswood
 
It seems that the opposite would be most likely to happen. If there was a connection between the Michigan Central and CSX in New Buffalo, the Pere Marquette would be the one that would cross over and allow Amtrak to vacate CSX from New Buffalo to Porter and allow the Pere Marquette to run briefly on the higher speed Michigan Central. Or at the very least that is part of my dreams, which also includes a dedicated right of way from Porter to CUS and more than one train per day. I, like many I suppose, cannot make it to the station after work by 5:15 p.m. I think it would help increase ridership if there was a Friday 6 p.m. departure. It would really help if it could be coupled with a late returning train on Sunday evening. Without this most of the riders are Michiganders going to Chicago.

With regards to the New Buffalo station, I always thought it was the opposite, that municipality and most specifically James Gierczyk, that pushed for the station and Amtrak did not really want to switch the service. Certainly the ADA compliance issue slowed down construction for a couple of years and the costs associated with what Amtrak originally wanted would have been too much for Mr. Gierczyk to finance. But Amtrak also wanted the city to indemnify Amtrak for all liability with regards to the station (including Amtrak negligence) and promise to pay for any future costs associated with future operations of running the stations. This included a provision that said the city would pay for baggage security if it was ever mandated by Congress. New Buffalo balked at these added costs, especially the baggage issue. I do not know what the final agreement was, I guess someone could do a FOIA but it took a long time to hammer out the details.

I might be wrong though because I do not have as many connection to South Berrien county as I do North Berrien County but that is what I heard. It is also from those on the other side (the city and developer) as opposed to Amtrak so take it with a grain of salt. Either way, construction should almost be completed. I know they started but have not heard anything since, nor have I been to New Buffalo in over a year.
 #687396  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Mr. Ravenswood, as a Past Moderator here, may I be first to welcome an informed member with command of written English to our forum.

"I'd heard" the "ADA card" with regards to the New Buffalo project, but not recently; that is why my mention of such included a disclaimer. The "indemnity card' is a new one to me, and is just one more case of someone thinking they have clout to say "I don't care what happens even if I'm negligent it's not my fault".

I guess all that can be said at this time is "stay tuned".
 #690481  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Associated Press courtesy of Battle Creek Enquirer

"Conveniently" released to the media during the Holiday weekend, as well as during the 'all Michael all the time" deluge, is that Michigan is proposing "cuts' with nature and scope not specifically identified to the Michigan funded Chicago-Port Huron Blue Water and Chicago-Grand Rapids Pere Marquette trains. The 'three a day' Chicago-Detroit-Pontiac Wolverines are 100% Federally funded and not affected.

This was inevitable; Michigan is "broke": on that same note, I am astounded that there have been no other service cuts proposed in "nearly as broke' California and Illinois.
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