Delaware Third Track Project Starts

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Re: Delaware Third Track Project Starts

Post by ApproachMedium » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:22 pm

Amtrak doesnt care because without it being done, their trains still function without a problem and when its done it wont really provide a major speed up or anything.
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Re: Delaware Third Track Project Starts

Post by east point » Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:05 am

ApproachMedium wrote:Amtrak doesnt care because without it being done, their trains still function without a problem and when its done it wont really provide a major speed up or anything.

That seems reasonable until SEPTA increases service and MARC starts service but until ? ? Also the unlikely Dover - WIL proposed service ?

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Re: Delaware Third Track Project Starts

Post by ApproachMedium » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:54 am

That station at Newark DE seems to be moving at a similar snails pace so I really dont think there is any rush for either thing.
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Re: Delaware Third Track Project Starts

Post by EuroStar » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:16 am

x-press wrote:My first meeting as a consultant on this job was in late 2004. I (like many others) pushed paper and put up with This job for about seven years after that.

They never said as much, but in their actions, Amtrak never showed much interest in the job to expand the capacity of their corridor, and other factors piled on as well.

- Amtrak engineering reviews moved at a glacial pace, and then missed things that they claimed to care about later
- complete disconnect between what engineers/lawyers in philly and dc wanted, vs what their own field personnel needed.
- outlandish demands were made at the eleventh hour regarding c&s matters, upending years of negotiations, then retracted after delaying the project.
- consulting engineers were unwilling to seal plans on the existing bridge without abutment work, which Amtrak didn’t seem to think was necessary (but they wouldn’t say so or take responsibility for it, of course)
- Amtrak demanded that Delaware buy the rail (not just pay for it, buy/inspect/own it), then later decided against it
- Denrec decided at the eleventh hour that the wetlands were more critical than thought and wouldn’t allow the work, then acquiesced later. In retrospect it looks like attempted extortion.
- Amtrak demanded that Delaware hire and oversee the contractor doing all the grading and structural work, despite having little experience in railroad matters and creating a liability nightmare. I am not sure if they continued to demand that. Anyone know who’s doing the work?

And those are only the things I remember!

It’s a shame. The project seems like a win-win for both parties. Perhaps some lessons are in order for the whole state funding model that many parties seem so hell bent on?
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Re: Delaware Third Track Project Starts

Post by SRich » Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:25 pm

EuroStar wrote:
x-press wrote:...
In the private sector time is money. In the government time is job security for everyone on the payroll ...
:-D

Some times its beter to let the private sector build for public sector...
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Re: Delaware Third Track Project Starts

Post by Suburban Station » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:14 am

In the public sector jobs are often cost plus (reward for bebeibebeinbebeibebeing over budget). Funds are not borrowed but come from a series of grants that havhavetheir own timelines. Public funding, esp from uncle sam, always has strings attached. Lastly, for an entity like amtrak, you cant expand capabilities without predictable funding. Amtrak does contract out a lot.

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Re: Delaware Third Track Project Starts

Post by gokeefe » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:44 pm

x-press wrote:And those are only the things I remember!
Thanks for sharing. It's helpful to see behind the curtain every once in a while. I've seen similar dynamics at play with other government projects.
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Re: Delaware Third Track Project Starts

Post by ThirdRail7 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:49 pm

Arlington wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:19 pm
If you ask Delaware, this is a $51m project that finishes in January 2018, and if you ask Amtrak it is a $72m project that finishes in February 2017.
If you ask the Magic 8 ball if this 3 year, 5 year or 6 year project will be finished in 2019, 7 years after it started, it says:

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