AEM-7 status

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by dowlingm » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:58 pm

The Montreal ALP45s might have a use in Boston especially if Bombardier could lease them to MBTA as complete trainsets paired with surplus Exo MLVs - NJT have done the work on qualifying the power with ACSES and the diesel could solve the issue of presently unwired sidings/platforms. Bombardier would presumably like to have another ALP45 customer as it loses Exo, if only while MBTA decides on a full-rollout power provider.

Mind you, Siemens have launched a Vectron pantograph dual mode and I doubt they would sit still while Bombardier cosied up to MBTA. But the 45 has a service history on NA rails (good and bad) and a DM Charger doesn’t.

I can’t see the same being as true for the MR90s. Wouldn’t figuring out the wiring for PTC alone be horrifically expensive for a fleet of 58 1994 era vehicles? Maybe less so if they were formed into fixed 8 car trainsets with only the end cabs given ACSES.

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by Matt Johnson » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:41 pm

dowlingm wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:58 pm
The Montreal ALP45s might have a use in Boston especially if Bombardier could lease them to MBTA as complete trainsets paired with surplus Exo MLVs - NJT have done the work on qualifying the power with ACSES and the diesel could solve the issue of presently unwired sidings/platforms. Bombardier would presumably like to have another ALP45 customer as it loses Exo, if only while MBTA decides on a full-rollout power provider.
The Montreal units are listed as having a 65 mph top speed in diesel mode and 80 mph in electric mode (vs 100/125 for the NJT units). Is this a simple software fix or are the Montreal ones geared differently?

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by dowlingm » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:30 am

hmm... didn’t know that but given the local infrastructure in Montreal it makes sense. But couldn’t regearing be done while the locos are getting their other mods?

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by ApproachMedium » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:07 am

Matt Johnson wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:41 pm
dowlingm wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:58 pm
The Montreal ALP45s might have a use in Boston especially if Bombardier could lease them to MBTA as complete trainsets paired with surplus Exo MLVs - NJT have done the work on qualifying the power with ACSES and the diesel could solve the issue of presently unwired sidings/platforms. Bombardier would presumably like to have another ALP45 customer as it loses Exo, if only while MBTA decides on a full-rollout power provider.
The Montreal units are listed as having a 65 mph top speed in diesel mode and 80 mph in electric mode (vs 100/125 for the NJT units). Is this a simple software fix or are the Montreal ones geared differently?
They are geared differently. this isnt a software change.
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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by mcgrath618 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:15 am

I have heard that SEPTA will be leasing some of the Montreal ALP45s for its Phoenixville return pilot.

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by ApproachMedium » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:10 am

mcgrath618 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:15 am
I have heard that SEPTA will be leasing some of the Montreal ALP45s for its Phoenixville return pilot.
That will probably be the smartest thing septa has ever done.
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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by Backshophoss » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:50 pm

That extension is still a pipe dream,NS has not signed off.
The ex-RDG grid is not as robust,still at 11kv 25 hz,the exAMT units need upgrade/ACSES
install
SEPTA is anti-diesel for ages.
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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by rcthompson04 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:00 pm

Backshophoss wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:50 pm
That extension is still a pipe dream,NS has not signed off.
The ex-RDG grid is not as robust,still at 11kv 25 hz,the exAMT units need upgrade/ACSES
install
SEPTA is anti-diesel for ages.
SEPTA’s hand is being forced by local cash.

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by mcgrath618 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:04 pm

rcthompson04 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:00 pm
Backshophoss wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:50 pm
That extension is still a pipe dream,NS has not signed off.
The ex-RDG grid is not as robust,still at 11kv 25 hz,the exAMT units need upgrade/ACSES
install
SEPTA is anti-diesel for ages.
SEPTA’s hand is being forced by local cash.
Precisely. I have an inside source who has confirmed that it is happening.

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by rcthompson04 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:52 pm

mcgrath618 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:04 pm
rcthompson04 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:00 pm
Backshophoss wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:50 pm
That extension is still a pipe dream,NS has not signed off.
The ex-RDG grid is not as robust,still at 11kv 25 hz,the exAMT units need upgrade/ACSES
install
SEPTA is anti-diesel for ages.
SEPTA’s hand is being forced by local cash.
Precisely. I have an inside source who has confirmed that it is happening.
Leslie Richards pushed hard for restoring rail to Phoenixville when in county government. Democrats ran in Bucks and Chester Counties on expanding and improving commuter rail service. The easiest way to do it is with dual modes providing rush hour service initially.

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by mcgrath618 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:43 pm

rcthompson04 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:52 pm
mcgrath618 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:04 pm
rcthompson04 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:00 pm
Backshophoss wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:50 pm
That extension is still a pipe dream,NS has not signed off.
The ex-RDG grid is not as robust,still at 11kv 25 hz,the exAMT units need upgrade/ACSES
install
SEPTA is anti-diesel for ages.
SEPTA’s hand is being forced by local cash.
Precisely. I have an inside source who has confirmed that it is happening.
Leslie Richards pushed hard for restoring rail to Phoenixville when in county government. Democrats ran in Bucks and Chester Counties on expanding and improving commuter rail service. The easiest way to do it is with dual modes providing rush hour service initially.
NS agreed to play ball on the condition that the center track be restored up to Phoenixville, and that no wire is put up unless the pilot program is wildly successful.

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by rcthompson04 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:34 pm

mcgrath618 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:43 pm
rcthompson04 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:52 pm
mcgrath618 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:04 pm
rcthompson04 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:00 pm
Backshophoss wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:50 pm
That extension is still a pipe dream,NS has not signed off.
The ex-RDG grid is not as robust,still at 11kv 25 hz,the exAMT units need upgrade/ACSES
install
SEPTA is anti-diesel for ages.
SEPTA’s hand is being forced by local cash.
Precisely. I have an inside source who has confirmed that it is happening.
Leslie Richards pushed hard for restoring rail to Phoenixville when in county government. Democrats ran in Bucks and Chester Counties on expanding and improving commuter rail service. The easiest way to do it is with dual modes providing rush hour service initially.
NS agreed to play ball on the condition that the center track be restored up to Phoenixville, and that no wire is put up unless the pilot program is wildly successful.
That is the lesson of the story. Getting Class I "support" for passenger rail probably requires appealing to the thing that wins more hearts in all human endeavors... doing something for them. A third track is probably not necessary to restore such a service, but it makes NS have an easier life in general.

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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by ApproachMedium » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:16 am

NS would LOVE nothing more than to sell off more lines so of course they will allow the septa thing to happen.

With that, i wonder what will happen with septas aem7s? Id imagine if they lease these dual modes there will be really NO reason to keep them and they will finally go away
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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by Silverliner II » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:52 pm

Regardless of what goes on... until the SEPTA Board approves... nothing is going to be happening, and even when it does, it will still have to go through the entire bureaucratic process, right up to getting into the capital budget, public hearings, environmental impact statements, station design, etc. We won't see any of this happen fast. Especially with the other stuff on SEPTA's plate.

If it does happen, I'd bet on 5 to 8 years before we see anything.
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Re: AEM-7 status

Post by mcgrath618 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:10 pm

ApproachMedium wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:16 am
NS would LOVE nothing more than to sell off more lines so of course they will allow the septa thing to happen.

With that, i wonder what will happen with septas aem7s? Id imagine if they lease these dual modes there will be really NO reason to keep them and they will finally go away
The SEPTA AEM-7s are currently in storage at Frazer Yard. 2301 is used occasionally on work trains.

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