Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by prokowave » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:35 am

The way I see it, since the long-distance service was only suspended, states should not have to pay to resume it. Now it would be nice to get Amtrak, the feds, states, and local government to invest to make the route faster and safer, but it shouldn't be reliant on any one entity buying in.

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Re: Looks like the Sunset Limited East may be coming back

Post by mtuandrew » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:00 pm

eolesen wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:35 am
Correction -- assumed short-sightedness because the current FL Gov is a Republican....

I'm not sure that's a safe assumption, either. Brightline is changing minds about how to make rail work, and without massive subsidies.

Hint: not all conservatives are against rail, especially where it makes sense.
In fact, the last Florida chief executive (now the junior senator) had so much foresight, he led the fight to cancel the state-run HSR, bought a good deal of stock in Brightline, then gave them the rights to use the reserved HSR corridor. :P

This isn’t an “all Republicans” thing, I can’t speak to Gov. DeSantis’ intentions, but Governor Scott certainly made out well.

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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by gokeefe » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:44 pm

Gilbert B Norman wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:47 pm
But I still hold that the only Corridor is Mobile-NO., and thst agency is advocating restoration of the entire Sunset East, which was simply a "Politico Train".

Those that pushed it, i.e. Sen. Lott, are now on K Street.
I agree that viability is best between Mobile and New Orleans. I also strongly agree that restoring Sunset East such as it were is not practical at all.

Sen. Wicker (R-MS) has done an excellent job of picking up where Sen. Lott (R-MS) left off. The restoration and enhancement grants are a major initiative of Sen. Wicker's office.

While I am loath to compare this service to the former "Harley's Hornet" (aka West Virginian) the new service is most certainly an initiative that has received extensive attention in Congress.
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Re: Looks like the Sunset Limited East may be coming back

Post by east point » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:26 pm

eolesen wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:35 am
. Brightline is changing minds about how to make rail work, and without massive subsidies.

Hint: not all conservatives are against rail, especially where it makes sense.
Virginia did lead the way with () starting their service.

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Re: Looks like the Sunset Limited East may be coming back

Post by eolesen » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:05 am

mtuandrew wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:00 pm
In fact, the last Florida chief executive (now the junior senator) had so much foresight, he led the fight to cancel the state-run HSR, bought a good deal of stock in Brightline, then gave them the rights to use the reserved HSR corridor. :P

This isn’t an “all Republicans” thing, I can’t speak to Gov. DeSantis’ intentions, but Governor Scott certainly made out well.
That's a really creative (and misleading??...) way of framing Scott's investment in Fortress Investment Group.... There are a lot of dots you'd need to connect to say he or his wife have made any money off Brightline, since it has yet to make any money.

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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by Jeff Smith » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:29 am

Last call: let's drop the political side discussion please.
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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by lordsigma12345 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:42 pm

gokeefe wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:44 pm
I agree that viability is best between Mobile and New Orleans. I also strongly agree that restoring Sunset East such as it were is not practical at all.
If Florida changes their tune and wants to bring back panhandle rail, sunset east isn’t the way to go. A connecting Mobile - ORL corridor or a seperate (not sunset or CONO) NOL - ORL Train is the way to go.

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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by STrRedWolf » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:08 pm

lordsigma12345 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:42 pm
gokeefe wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:44 pm
I agree that viability is best between Mobile and New Orleans. I also strongly agree that restoring Sunset East such as it were is not practical at all.
If Florida changes their tune and wants to bring back panhandle rail, sunset east isn’t the way to go. A connecting Mobile - ORL corridor or a seperate (not sunset or CONO) NOL - ORL Train is the way to go.
I can see Mobile/NOL and NOL/ORL as separate trains, separate from the Sunset West Los Angeles/NOL.
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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by David Benton » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:05 pm

I am surprised they don't have at least one Thruway bus off the Silvers, to the East Florida Panhandle.
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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by gokeefe » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:31 am

That is surprising. There are definitely some routes where it seems Amtrak hasn't done much business development work over the years.
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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by Rockingham Racer » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:01 am

gokeefe wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:31 am
That is surprising. There are definitely some routes where it seems Amtrak hasn't done much business development work over the years.
Having lived in Florida, I am not surprised. The notion of moving people by rail [with connecting buses] is low on Florida's totem pole. Unless it's a private corporation.

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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by gokeefe » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:27 pm

Yes but Thruway services are not necessarily state funded or coordinated. I'm a little surprised that Amtrak doesn't have Thruway connections in Florida for these trains.
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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by Rockingham Racer » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:43 pm

I see what you're saying. Here's a thought: perhaps if they instituted a bus on the Panhandle, and if the bus became so popular that a train would be needed [as in Roanoke], that would be a scary thought to Amtrak. They appear to have no interest whatsoever in running a long distance train east of New Orleans.

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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by lordsigma12345 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:55 pm

Rockingham Racer wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:43 pm
I see what you're saying. Here's a thought: perhaps if they instituted a bus on the Panhandle, and if the bus became so popular that a train would be needed [as in Roanoke], that would be a scary thought to Amtrak. They appear to have no interest whatsoever in running a long distance train east of New Orleans.
I think they'd be happy to run a train the whole route if the states subsidized it. Although the 750 mile rule means state subsidies are not required, nothing says that states can't subsidize a 750 or slightly longer route if the federal government won't. With state support, I dont think Amtrak would care about the distance - state subsidies are "revenue" on Amtrak's books which is why Amtrak likes them.

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Re: Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

Post by gokeefe » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:34 pm

It's a really interesting point regardless. And brings out the very interesting fact that a Thruway bus is not subject to the 750 mile minimum for federally operated service.
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