Amtrak Accounting Practices

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Re: Amtrak Accounting Practices

Post by WashingtonPark » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:55 pm

Tadman wrote:
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30 minutes for intercity travel is not bad. That’s a normal delay driving across chicago or New York, let alone between two cities 100 miles apart.
When I travel to L. A. or Chicago I'm pleased if the train arrives within 2 hours of it's scheduled time. I have literally never been on an LD to or from Chicago that has not been at least an hour late at some point during the trip, even though the terminal arrival may be "on time" or even a little bit early. Amtrak won't guarantee an LD connection of less than 3 hours which shows you how confident they are. This is why so many on the board recommend a hotel in Chicago, then making your connection the next day. Fine if you're a retiree with plenty of time and money. Not so good for everyone else.

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Re: Amtrak Accounting Practices

Post by JoeG » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:08 pm

I just looked on Amtrak's website. Trains are considered on time if they arrive within 15 minutes of the scheduled time. This might be acceptable for a long distance train; it isn't for Acela. Amtrak tries to blame host railroads for its delays, but any delays to Acela do not involve freight railroads.

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Re: Amtrak Accounting Practices

Post by Suburban Station » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:31 pm

JoeG wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:08 pm
I just looked on Amtrak's website. Trains are considered on time if they arrive within 15 minutes of the scheduled time. This might be acceptable for a long distance train; it isn't for Acela. Amtrak tries to blame host railroads for its delays, but any delays to Acela do not involve freight railroads.
there is one Host Railroad with an outsized impact on the Acela, Metro North. (disclosure, I do not have any OTP data on south end only trains versus through trains but in my personal experience, the north end is even more prone to delays) which has an affect on all through service.

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Re: Amtrak Accounting Practices

Post by Suburban Station » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:38 pm

rcthompson04 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:54 am
Tadman wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:31 am
30 minutes for intercity travel is not bad. That’s a normal delay driving across chicago or New York, let alone between two cities 100 miles apart.
Yea the delay is not the problem. It is how long it takes in general. I can drive to Pittsburgh in 4 1/2 hours from my house most hours of the day. The Pennsylvanian takes 7.
30 minutes is not an acceptable delay on a 100 mile route. few would be happy with half hour delays on the Harrisburg line, even 15 minutes is too much for such a short trip.
regarding pittsburgh, from philly to Pittsburgh is about 5 hours with some variability for weather and time of day. setting aside improvements such as tilting equipment, it would seem to make sense to have the train leave or arrive each city during rush hour when the relative drive is at its worst but greyhound does the opposite (scheduling express runs outside of rush hour). that would mean moving the Pennsylvanian to the 725 AM slot out of NYP. fwiw, back in 2008 I was on several trips where the train was 30+ minutes early which is roughly the 34+ minutes that were added when the passenger tracks were ripped out.

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Re: Amtrak Accounting Practices

Post by rcthompson04 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:23 pm

Suburban Station wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:38 pm
rcthompson04 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:54 am
Tadman wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:31 am
30 minutes for intercity travel is not bad. That’s a normal delay driving across chicago or New York, let alone between two cities 100 miles apart.
Yea the delay is not the problem. It is how long it takes in general. I can drive to Pittsburgh in 4 1/2 hours from my house most hours of the day. The Pennsylvanian takes 7.
30 minutes is not an acceptable delay on a 100 mile route. few would be happy with half hour delays on the Harrisburg line, even 15 minutes is too much for such a short trip.
regarding pittsburgh, from philly to Pittsburgh is about 5 hours with some variability for weather and time of day. setting aside improvements such as tilting equipment, it would seem to make sense to have the train leave or arrive each city during rush hour when the relative drive is at its worst but greyhound does the opposite (scheduling express runs outside of rush hour). that would mean moving the Pennsylvanian to the 725 AM slot out of NYP. fwiw, back in 2008 I was on several trips where the train was 30+ minutes early which is roughly the 34+ minutes that were added when the passenger tracks were ripped out.
I have wondered what would the ideal times be for a second daily run. I am guess departing Philadelphia at rush hour replacing the 620 or 725 Keystones, which would put you in Pittsburgh early afternoon. The trip from Pittsburgh would depart mid afternoon and replace one of the last two Keystones terminating at Philly.

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Re: Amtrak Accounting Practices

Post by JoeG » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:18 pm

I wonder what the definition of "on time" is on other industrialized countries' railroads. For LD trains, I have to admit that Canada is worse than us. I don't know about their corridor trains.
I don't know how much MN delays Amtrak; maybe Dutch will speak up.

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Re: Amtrak Accounting Practices

Post by Tadman » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:45 pm

Suburban Station wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:38 pm
rcthompson04 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:54 am
Tadman wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:31 am
30 minutes for intercity travel is not bad. That’s a normal delay driving across chicago or New York, let alone between two cities 100 miles apart.
Yea the delay is not the problem. It is how long it takes in general. I can drive to Pittsburgh in 4 1/2 hours from my house most hours of the day. The Pennsylvanian takes 7.
30 minutes is not an acceptable delay on a 100 mile route. few would be happy with half hour delays on the Harrisburg line, even 15 minutes is too much for such a short trip.


I don’t see how you can get past the reality of a 30 minute delay. If you’re planning on being in New York, a 30 minute delay window is just life. If you fly in on the shuttle, the cab ride downtown can vary from 30-90 minutes alone.
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