CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

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CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by mp15ac » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:14 pm

What commercially available model paint is closest to CP's "candy apple" red being currently used?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by Backshophoss » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:46 am

With Floquil and Polyscale paints discontinued,you might try finding a close match in the Model Master Military paint lines or
good olde testors automotive model paint line if you don't mind solvent based paint!
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Re: CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by cnj1524 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:14 pm

Have you tried Tru Color paints?

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Re: CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by mp15ac » Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:44 am

Thanks for the replies.

So far I've checked Tru-Color, Scalecoat (I and II), Floquil, and PolyScale. No luck.

In checking the internet one forum mentioned using Testors Model Master "Chrylser Engine Red."

The biggest problem is that what I have to paint is the undecorated hood from a Kato SD90MAC to match the factory painted cab from the same model. The owner of the locomotive ruined the original shell, and asked me to paint the replacement shell.

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Re: CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by Desertdweller » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:22 am

True "Candy Apple" colors are a two-part paint. I don't know if CP uses real Candy Apple red, as it would be pretty expensive.
For a real Candy Apple Red, a translucent red topcoat would be applied over a metallic undercoat. Most Candy Reds are translucent red applied over a gold basecoat. This allows light to penetrate the red, be reflected off the gold, and pass again through the red. Different effects can be made by using different undercoats: gold, silver, copper. Copper would give a warmer color than gold; silver would give a cooler effect.

Candy topcoats are available in a variety of colors: red, blue, green, orange, purple.

To do this on a locomotive would double both the paint cost and the labor cost.

Les

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Re: CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by Backshophoss » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:38 am

Believe the proper color name is "CP Action Red",so that Model Master color might be the closest match,
Testors Killed off the Floquil and Polyscale RR paint lines a few years ago,but are starting to bring back
the basic RR colors slowly in the Model Master acryl line(water based),look in the military and auto lines of
paint for the best color match.

When new the prototypes might have been "Clearcoated" at the Factory for the shine effect.
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Re: CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by mp15ac » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:56 am

Backshophoss wrote:Believe the proper color name is "CP Action Red",so that Model Master color might be the closest match,
Testors Killed off the Floquil and Polyscale RR paint lines a few years ago,but are starting to bring back
the basic RR colors slowly in the Model Master acryl line(water based),look in the military and auto lines of
paint for the best color match.

When new the prototypes might have been "Clearcoated" at the Factory for the shine effect.
CP "Action" red is the color used when CP when to the "Multi-mark" scheme back in the 1960's. It is a lighter shade of red than the current red being used on the "golden beaver" diesels.

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Re: CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by Backshophoss » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:29 pm

Because you are trying to match Kato's factory version of the paint,it might be possible to figure out the mix
by matching thru the "Pantine" color system if possible,or digging thru the CP's web site and finding a color chip
with the current colors and the "Pantine" color #
You may have to go to an Artist supply shop,or an Auto Body Supply shop to to get a proper scan
thru a paint scanner.
Last Resort: get the closest color match to the darker side of the current CP "red" and make a custom mix
using white paint to lighten the color to match; 3 drops of red +1 drop of white as a starting point.
(Old school method of paint matching)
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Re: CP "Candy Apple" Red Paint for models

Post by Engineer Spike » Sun May 10, 2015 10:32 pm

I wouldn't worry too much about what CP uses. Right now they are on a big kick to repaint units. The shades vary. Some have the dark red which came out on the dual flag scheme. The same colour seemed to Cary to the beaver, and now plain "Canadian Pacific" spelled out scheme. Some of the repaints are have a lighter red. The rebuilt ex SOO SD60 class, and some AC4400 have the new lighter shade. On a the other hand, 7306, and 7311 are dark red.

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