Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by traingeek8223 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:02 am

Last I checked (which was a while ago) there was no plan in place. Local management needs to change at the power plant before any of this stuff can feasibly be removed.
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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by nessman » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:06 am

I'll tell you this - power plants are very security and safety sensitive these days (I know - I work at one) and outsiders with no business interest to PSEG are generally unwanted and unwelcomed. Because the equipment is no longer on PSEG's property and that particular siding they need is essentially gone - the power plant management has zero interest in restoring the tracks... and direction from corporate up above is likely the same regardless of local management's wishes. Corporate legal/risk management's thinking is along the lines of "not our problem, off our property, anything we do to help the railroad museum puts us at risk - so no. My guess is (looking at aerial photos) is the switch into the property is gone as well, and the tracks going the other way are long out of service (with a bridge so deteriorated that I wouldn't even walk across) - and railroad corporate / legal / risk management is on the same page as PSEG.

Costs. Reconnecting / restoring tracks by itself - and you're well into the 6-figure range (union labor at power plants isn't cheap). Those tracks haven't been used since the old Albany Steam Station there stopped burning coal back in the 90's. Because no railroad will ever let those things move on their own wheels, you're pushing 7 figures to crane those things onto low-boys and move them out either via special trucks or rail cars - assuming you can get the railroad to reconnect the siding for them.

Then there's insurance, etc... etc...

So yes - there is no plan. There never will be a plan because no one is going to pony up probably close to $2 million to move what is essentially $200,000 worth of scrap metal. Simply easier to let them sit on someone else's property - because even preparing the area to get equipment in to scrap and remove the equipment (along with any remediation costs - oil, asbestos, etc...) would cost more than they would get for the scrap value of the equipment.

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by RussNelson » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:25 am

The bridge could be restored to operation. Any competent house-mover could jack it up and replace the rotten pieces. The missing rails on the north side could be put back. That gets you to a road where you could put them on trailers. All those things you could get an estimate for, and do a gofundme or kickstarter or whatever. If you can't get the money, then you give up on the idea.

They're not going out through the power plant end. That door closed decades ago.

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by nessman » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:02 pm

RussNelson wrote:The bridge could be restored to operation. Any competent house-mover could jack it up and replace the rotten pieces. The missing rails on the north side could be put back. That gets you to a road where you could put them on trailers. All those things you could get an estimate for, and do a gofundme or kickstarter or whatever. If you can't get the money, then you give up on the idea.
US Army Corps of Engineers, US Coast Guard, EPA and NYSDEC (for starters) would disagree. One of those engines causes that bridge to collapse and you're done. Even if it could happen, again - we're well into the deep 6-figure range here. You'll be lucky of you get $20-30,000 from a fundraiser.
They're not going out through the power plant end. That door closed decades ago.
That I think we can all agree on.

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by YamaOfParadise » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:56 pm

Well, it depends what good things you want. Even if some of them have some questionable decision-making at times (*cough*CoE*cough*), they're all incorporated for good things on a much grander and more important scale. I can't fault the decision-making/risk management even if I wish it wasn't working against this.
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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by lvrr325 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:59 am

Bridge is out because the piers, abutments, are damaged, sunken, millions of dollars to repair to move 8 pieces of crap and then take it out never to use again.

Even if you put some culvert pipe in and backfilled it as a supprt, then dug it all back out, expensive, expensive.

That's where the barge idea came from. crane on the barge can anchor down and load or it can be set up to the bank next to the bridge and the track altered to meet it. Much less work. Therefore much cheaper.

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by Sir Ray » Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:09 am

Gentlemen, you are simply not thinking out of the box. These babies will handle150 tonnes and should have enough internal space to haul the locomotives in question. Maybe Americans can convince Putin to lend them out for a few days as a goodwill gesture. (yes, yes, yes..."Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads")

That silliness aside, searching quickly thru the 30+ pages of this thread I couldn't find - who owns the land the equipment is currently located at?

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by scratchy » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:50 pm

sure,or use one of these to lift the gear out. http://www.space.com/33788-largest-airc ... light.html

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by BR&P » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:59 pm

Sounds like there is no practical way to move the stuff. The most practical of the IMpractical ideas would be to disassemble everything down to the last nut and bolt, take it all out in pieces, then re-assemble it elsewhere. And I'm sure THAT'S not going to happen, either.

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by RussNelson » Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:00 pm

BR&P wrote:Sounds like there is no practical way to move the stuff. The most practical of the IMpractical ideas would be to disassemble everything down to the last nut and bolt, take it all out in pieces, then re-assemble it elsewhere. And I'm sure THAT'S not going to happen, either.
They've already been half-disassembled anyway, and is currently being stored in the garages of railfans all over the NorthEast.
lvrr325 wrote:Bridge is out because the piers, abutments, are damaged, sunken, millions of dollars to repair to move 8 pieces of crap and then take it out never to use again.
Have you been there?

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by nessman » Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:09 pm

RussNelson wrote:Have you been there?
I've seen your pictures - and there is no way anything is moving across that bridge unless it can be completely rehabilitated.

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by lvrr325 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:37 pm

My info came right from an industry person who looked at removal of the pieces.

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by Ironman » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:02 pm

Looks like a new bridge will be built. Link to TWC News 9: http://www.twcnews.com/nys/capital-regi ... oject.html

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by sd80mac » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:14 pm

I just looked at the google map. they already have bridge crossing over same creek less than 1/4 mile away. They could build new spur going into that land.. why build bridge? Spur's cheaper.

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Re: Private equipment collection at Colonie and Glenmont

Post by Sir Ray » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:12 pm

Ironman wrote:Looks like a new bridge will be built. Link to TWC News 9: http://www.twcnews.com/nys/capital-regi ... oject.html
Hold on...from that link:
The roughly 115-foot span was crossed by a railroad trestle for decades, but the old bridge was abandoned in the 1980s and collapsed into the water in Jan. 2016. Canadian Pacific Railroad, which owned the right-of-way in that area, removed the ruins of the bridge
Is this the same bridge we've been discussing for years - the one in Russ's images? Did it collapse this past January, so that all the talk in the later spring posts of rehabilitating it were already moot?

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