Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by cjvrr » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:35 am

Also remember the cost is the largest factor. If a US supplier could meet the specifications for the same price as a foreign competitor, the US supplier would be used.

On a rail project in the US I worked on several years ago we had some rail lengths that came from Czech Republic. How they got mixed in is beyond me.
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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by Matt Langworthy » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:36 am

BandA wrote:1943 was wartime. Perhaps after the war, damaged rail lines were wholesale replaced in Japan, and the old rail piled up then picked over by Japanese who needed work & shipped the straight pieces to the US for use in branch lines or yards. This is a total guess.
I doubt that happened. Salvageable rail would have been needed to rebuild Japan's transportation network.

World War II was very profitable for American RRs. Even poorer RRs like the Erie had plenty of money to spend on track during and after the war. For example, the LA&L replaced stick rail from 1946 with welded rail roughly a decade ago... and that older rail was made here in the US.
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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by pumpers » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:44 pm

SST wrote:My comment on the 1943 rail was a "yard rail." The NIPPON rail was a mainline rail. Different sections of track.
Yes, looking back, I confess now I didn't read your first post carefully.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by BR&P » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:21 pm

henry2018 wrote: That is exactly what happened.
You seriously think US railroads have been deferring maintenance? Time to do some homework! Look up "Penn Central" "Rock Island" and anything else about railroading in that era. THAT was deferred maintenance.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by Safetee » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:50 pm

When it comes to deferred maintenance, it is true that many make that most of the big guys main lines are in excellent shape ie extremely safe and viable. But on the lesser lines branches yards etc many short lines, and some of the big guys play the rope a dope FRA compliance game and frequently resort to excepted track status when possible. With excepted track status if your gage is at least 58.25 inches, you're home free. And if resorting to Excepted Track isn't deferred maintenance, then bears do not dance in the woods.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by BR&P » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:11 pm

I have no idea what "rope-a-dope FRA compliance game" means. Excepted track does not make you "home free". And when we speak of railroads deferring maintenance, it's generally in the context of over-all maintenance, not a particular small segment.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by BandA » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:08 pm

I'm confused; what does the 1943 mark mean?

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by edbear » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:38 pm

1943 - The year it was manufactured.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by lvrr325 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:02 am

Matt Langworthy wrote:
lvrr325 wrote:Perhaps the tariffs on cheap steel that have led to US plant reopenings will lead to more rail made in the US.
The tariffs are on Chinese steel only. Japanese and European steel are not effected.
Well, no, not entirely true, but whatever, at least half a dozen mills have been reopened and Nucor just announced they're going to spend like five billion to build a brand new one in the Midwest someplace.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by nydepot » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:00 pm

$1.35B

lvrr325 wrote:
Matt Langworthy wrote:
lvrr325 wrote:Perhaps the tariffs on cheap steel that have led to US plant reopenings will lead to more rail made in the US.
The tariffs are on Chinese steel only. Japanese and European steel are not effected.
Well, no, not entirely true, but whatever, at least half a dozen mills have been reopened and Nucor just announced they're going to spend like five billion to build a brand new one in the Midwest someplace.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by D Alex » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:53 pm

nydepot wrote:$1.35B

lvrr325 wrote:
Matt Langworthy wrote:
lvrr325 wrote:Perhaps the tariffs on cheap steel that have led to US plant reopenings will lead to more rail made in the US.
The tariffs are on Chinese steel only. Japanese and European steel are not effected.
Well, no, not entirely true, but whatever, at least half a dozen mills have been reopened and Nucor just announced they're going to spend like five billion to build a brand new one in the Midwest someplace.
Eh, what do "facts" matter, as long as it sounds good? I'm certain that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be created.......

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by BR&P » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:01 pm

D Alex wrote:Eh, what do "facts" matter, as long as it sounds good? I'm certain that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be created.......
That pegged my sarcasm detector needle. You don't think it's a good thing to see jobs and production returning to the US? Bringing materials in, and finished goods out, has to add up to more rail traffic than containers of goods made overseas. While we will never return to the way things were 70 years ago, seeing a local serving various industries along the way is far more interesting than watching a mile of identical blue or orange boxes blow past in a minute's time.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by rr503 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:21 pm

BR&P wrote:
D Alex wrote:Eh, what do "facts" matter, as long as it sounds good? I'm certain that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be created.......
That pegged my sarcasm detector needle. You don't think it's a good thing to see jobs and production returning to the US? Bringing materials in, and finished goods out, has to add up to more rail traffic than containers of goods made overseas. While we will never return to the way things were 70 years ago, seeing a local serving various industries along the way is far more interesting than watching a mile of identical blue or orange boxes blow past in a minute's time.
I think what's being lost here is appreciation downstream effects of higher steel costs. Sure, you get more jobs in steel, but the price pressure causes losses elsewhere -- for example, in auto manufacturing, appliances, construction, etc. I think trade action on steel was abs. necessary, but I think it should have focused more narrowly on dumping actions, rather than this more heavy-handed approach.

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Re: Do we have Japanese rails here in the USA?

Post by lvrr325 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:41 am

I "whatever"ed the inaccurate facts because it's off topic for the post and the board to discuss the facts of what steel has tariffs on it. The point is mills are being reopened and even built new and that could lead to rail being rolled in the US again.

I didn't bother to double check the price on the steel mill because for the purposes of this board and this discussion it's not worth the effort.

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