Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

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Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by JHZR2 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:11 pm

Went and checked out Carlton Hill today. Never had gone there when I lived nearby, didnt realize anything was there.

The only inaccuracy that Ive seen in discussing the Carlton Hill rail line is that I know from firsthand experience that trains ran to within a very short distance from the end (ran next to the RHS football practice fields) until at least 1997.

Anyway, perhaps the most interesting thing that I noticed is that the rails along there are labeled Lackawanna 1940. Why would that be? Was it re-railed after the merger with reclaimed rail from someplace else? Did Erie regularly buy rails from D,L&W?

Anyway, enjoy.

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by NY&LB » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:13 pm

First, GREAT pictures, I had been up there 5 or so years ago. Regarding the rail, that was Lackawanna steel company, not DL&W. I don'y know of any RR that rolled it's own rail or had their name on the rail...but someone is likely to prove me wrong!

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by northjerseybuff » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:06 pm

when was the last train to use these rails?
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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by JHZR2 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:29 pm

northjerseybuff wrote:when was the last train to use these rails?

There are inaccuracies about this. Of course the last mainline trains were when the bridge came down. Freight service lasted much longer than passenger of course too.

But most places say that freight ended in the early 1990s. I know firsthand from watching trains on it, that freight was on it as late as 1996-1997.

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by airman00 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:11 pm

Great pictures as well, thank you. Where exactly is this? And to what railroad or rail line do these tracks connect to? It sure is nice to see so much rail still intact, hopefully this row will be preserved. Any chance of future restoration or use by these tracks? It looks to me by the photo's is aside from an inspection all it would take is some brush cleanup to get these rails operable again. :)

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by Jtgshu » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:24 pm

hahahah last time I was there, the half of the Police Department came......hahahah oh well
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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by ladder2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:30 am

these pictures were of the old Erie mainline between Rutherford and end of track (Carlton Hill) at the Passaic River after the bridge spanning the Passaic River was removed in 1963.

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by JHZR2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:11 am

airman00 wrote:Great pictures as well, thank you. Where exactly is this? And to what railroad or rail line do these tracks connect to? It sure is nice to see so much rail still intact, hopefully this row will be preserved. Any chance of future restoration or use by these tracks? It looks to me by the photo's is aside from an inspection all it would take is some brush cleanup to get these rails operable again. :)
A lot of the wood ties are rotted such that there are holes in them. For recreational use and for looks, it is great if they remain.

There is no need for freight service there anymore as far as I can see. It was a deadheaded line since they changed the Erie mainline routing, and cant go anywhere due to infrastructure changes on the other side.

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by Steve F45 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:59 pm

are there any remnants of the bridge left along the banks?

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by ExCon90 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:19 pm

ladder2 wrote:these pictures were of the old Erie mainline between Rutherford and end of track (Carlton Hill) at the Passaic River after the bridge spanning the Passaic River was removed in 1963.
I think I read somewhere that that Passaic River bridge was a steam-powered swing bridge. Is that correct, or am I thinking of somewhere else?

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by JHZR2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:19 pm

Steve F45 wrote:are there any remnants of the bridge left along the banks?
About 50-100yd from the shore, the track gets buried under a pile of dirt and concrete that I assume were the first few concrete supports for the bridge. The land grades steeply to the river from there. No concrete supports left.

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by JHZR2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:26 pm

ExCon90 wrote:
ladder2 wrote:these pictures were of the old Erie mainline between Rutherford and end of track (Carlton Hill) at the Passaic River after the bridge spanning the Passaic River was removed in 1963.
I think I read somewhere that that Passaic River bridge was a steam-powered swing bridge. Is that correct, or am I thinking of somewhere else?
It was a steam bridge. I saw a picture or two at railfan EL archives that I'll try to link to.

It was a rotating bridge, turns parallel to the river to let ships pass, then back across to allow ops.

Looking at the tracks as they exist, it looks like the bridge had only one track across. Will have to see if there is photo proof...

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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by Roadgeek Adam » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:57 pm

BE Draw was an interesting structure. Most people need a minimum of a black seal from the state of New Jersey to be able to deal with boilers. However, men who worked on BE Draw had to have a Blue Seal, with knowledge of how to fix and operate them. Due to the lack of railroad workers with the seal, 12 hour shifts were common, with the same man replacing the other.

BE Draw was still standing in the open position in '64, however, the city of Passaic wanted to sell the bridge for free effectively. I have yet to determined when it was demolished. Yes, there are no concrete supports left of BE, considering the other would be under NJ 21. Passaic Park station is where Taras S. Park is, right-of-way pretty recognizeable.
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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by Hawaiitiki » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:37 pm

JHZR2 wrote:
northjerseybuff wrote:when was the last train to use these rails?

There are inaccuracies about this. Of course the last mainline trains were when the bridge came down. Freight service lasted much longer than passenger of course too.

But most places say that freight ended in the early 1990s. I know firsthand from watching trains on it, that freight was on it as late as 1996-1997.

I believe that first mile of this spur(where its parallel to the Bergen County Line) was used as a Conrail siding into the late 90's. Also, I believe the last train to travel a decent length down this track was a indeed a late 90's Conrail work train associated with the rebuilding of the Montross Ave/Maple St bridge. My grandfather worked as contractor on that project and there was apparently a lot of heat between Conrail, the DOT, and the construction company due to escalating costs directly associated with the spur still being technically an "active" railway even though a revenue train hadn't hit the cross-bucks at Jackson Ave in 5 years. Also within the past 5-6 years, there was a proposal mentioned here on RR.net and elsewhere about a newly formed shortline(Bergen Northern maybe?) servicing a "to-be-built" garbage transfer station at the end of the spur.
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Re: Old Erie Main Line Carlton Hill Station Pictures

Post by airman00 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:57 pm

Well if that ever came to pass that would be great to see those old tracks back in use. :)

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