CR on the Southern Secondary

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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by GSC » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:01 am

Would love to see another customer on line.

Remember though, eventually the current out-of-control Lakewood building boom will end, and the lumber orders will drop considerably, and so will the weekly freights we love to chase.

Many locals want the boom to end. Read the local papers to see how the longtime residents feel about it. The roads can't handle the traffic now, and the continued building will only make it worse.

In the meantime, we have long freight trains to chase. Not that long ago, I recall seeing two locomotives pulling one box car through Farmingdale.
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by Jersey Rail FIlmmakers » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:55 pm

NY&LB wrote:
GSC wrote:I tread in a previous post how SA31 was leaving South Amboy at 4:30 and arrived at Maxwell Road at 4:50 - twenty minutes.

What is the normal speed for freights on the NJCL?
25 mph

The post you read is incorrect, likely a hour off.

Takes 20 min. from hitting the Southern to get to Maxwell st.
I think the average speed is somewhat 37ish -50 mph (I could be off) But Chris you might be right because of the tanks... [Which would cause lower speeds]
It takes them 45 min to an hour to get from South Amboy to Red Bank fyi.
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by NY&LB » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:00 pm

I think the average speed is somewhat 37ish -50 mph (I could be off) But Chris you might be right because of the tanks... [Which would cause lower speeds]
It takes them 45 min to an hour to get from South Amboy to Red Bank fyi.
South Amboy - Red Bank = 15 miles at 45 Min. that's 20 MPH

Back in the day the speeds were 60 passenger, 40 freight. Just because they raised the passenger speed does not mean the freight speed went up (or even stayed the same!).

Tanks / hazardous material do not necessarily require additional speed restrictions. Work trains, cranes, single unit engines are a few of the additional speed restrictions.

I stand by 25 MPH for freight on the coast line.

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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by NJT4149 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:15 pm

NY&LB wrote:
I think the average speed is somewhat 37ish -50 mph (I could be off) But Chris you might be right because of the tanks... [Which would cause lower speeds]
It takes them 45 min to an hour to get from South Amboy to Red Bank fyi.
South Amboy - Red Bank = 15 miles at 45 Min. that's 20 MPH

Back in the day the speeds were 60 passenger, 40 freight. Just because they raised the passenger speed does not mean the freight speed went up (or even stayed the same!).

Tanks / hazardous material do not necessarily require additional speed restrictions. Work trains, cranes, single unit engines are a few of the additional speed restrictions.

I stand by 25 MPH for freight on the coast line.
The 2013 NJ Transit timetable has freight listed as 30 MPH from WOOD to BRANCHPORT. BRANCHPORT to Bay Head is 25 MPH
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by Jersey Rail FIlmmakers » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:23 am

NY&LB wrote:
I think the average speed is somewhat 37ish -50 mph (I could be off) But Chris you might be right because of the tanks... [Which would cause lower speeds]
It takes them 45 min to an hour to get from South Amboy to Red Bank fyi.
South Amboy - Red Bank = 15 miles at 45 Min. that's 20 MPH

Back in the day the speeds were 60 passenger, 40 freight. Just because they raised the passenger speed does not mean the freight speed went up (or even stayed the same!).

Tanks / hazardous material do not necessarily require additional speed restrictions. Work trains, cranes, single unit engines are a few of the additional speed restrictions.

I stand by 25 MPH for freight on the coast line.
Ahh ok... guess I'm a little behind :wink:
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by nomis » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:15 am

Average Speed does not equal Maximim Authorized Speed. :-D :-)
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by NJT4149 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:23 pm

CSX 4412 and about 11 cars today. They will be leaving Browns shortly, as per a friend.
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by NJT4149 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:02 pm

Permission on Church at 3:01 PM
Permission to open up 3:30 PM
Lined and locked normal 3:41 PM
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by RailsEast » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:45 pm

Yes, CSX 4412 shf + 12 Woodhavens, approaching Maxwell Rd in Eatontown at 4:45 in the pm.
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by NJT4149 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:07 pm

Sitting at Hope Road with the lights off, 5:06 PM
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by Coast Line Railfan » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:51 pm

STILL sitting at Hope Road, lights off.
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by NJT4149 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:01 pm

Wire reported down between Hope Road and Pinebrook. JCP&L can’t find it; will update shortly
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by NJT4149 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:38 pm

Pinebrook Road 6:38 PM
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by RailsEast » Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:49 am

Eastbound across Sycamore Ave at 0145 hours...
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Re: CR on the Southern Secondary

Post by JohnFromJersey » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:58 pm

RailsEast wrote:Sand will move from Woodmansie only there is a concrete agreement (no pun intended) to completely fund the Gateway Project. NY & NJ have allocated funds to pay for half of the 13 Billion dollar cost, and they are waiting on Washington to fund the other half. The state of NJ did ok the grant to rebuild Lakehurst-Woodmansie, so at least NJ is thinking positively about this.

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Everyone & their grandmother expects this to get done, the only question is when. The existing tunnels will fail, either incrementally or catastrophically, in the next 25 years. Major rehab on the existing tunnels (another need for sand) could then be instituted when the new tunnels are completed.

Sand, I believe, would travel from Woodmansie to North Bergen, where the Jersey-side portals would be constructed.
I had projected late 2019 for trains to start in a previous post, but for political reasons (2020 election year approaching), it may be sometime in 2020 (or '21).....

Again, this is just my opinion, and I have no inside information on the subject; a tie replacement program on the Southern and the rebuild of the 'Lakehurst connection' over the Manapaqua Creek (Rt.70) will reveal a better timetable.
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The real questions I have is, when sand trains start rolling on the tracks for any ARC tunnel work, how many trains a week can we expect?

As for the other projects you mentioned, do you think the tie replacement and what not would come anytime soon? I could imagine that if they did that, combined with the ARC tunnel, there would be strong reasons to somehow bundle MOM line development into the mix :P

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