New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

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New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby Silverliner II » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:03 pm

With the new emphasis on using train numbers on Regional Rail, especially on TrainView, if you kept track of the train numbering system for Regional Rail over the years, it is time to get used to the new system...

SEPTA REGIONAL RAIL TRAIN NUMBER DESIGNATIONS
EFFECTIVE JULY 25TH, 2010



TRAINS NUMBERED:
With an even last digit operate northward/eastward in SEPTA territory
With an odd last digit operate southward/westward in SEPTA territory


BASIC TRAIN NUMBERS
001-099 Originate or terminate at Cynwyd
200-299 Operate between Norristown and Newark, DE
300-399 Operate between West Trenton, NJ and Elwyn
400-499 Operate between Warminster and Philadelphia International Airport
500-599 Operate between Doylestown and Thorndale
700-799 Operate between Chestnut Hill East and Trenton, NJ
800-899 Operate between Fox Chase and Chestnut Hill West


FOUR-DIGIT TRAIN NUMBERS
1xxx-series trains Originate or terminate at Suburban Station, Market East, or Vine
6xxx-series trains Originate or terminate at Powelton Yard
9xxx-series trains Originate or terminate at Roberts Yard, Wayne Electric, or Fern Rock


CROSS-ROUTED TRAINS
All four-digit train numbers; the first digit represents the line of origin and the second digit represents the line of destination. For example:
Train 5457 Operates from Doylestown to Philadelphia International Airport


OTHER TRAIN NUMBERS
D6100-D6198 (even numbers only)
Operate as non-revenue trains originating at Powelton Yard and terminating at Suburban Station

D1601-D1699 (odd numbers only)
Operate as non-revenue trains originating at Suburban Station and terminating at Powelton Yard

D6900-D6998 (even numbers only)
Operate as non-revenue trains originating at Powelton Yard and terminating at Roberts Yard, Wayne Electric, or Fern Rock

D9601-D9699 (odd numbers only)
Operate as non-revenue trains originating at Roberts Yard, Wayne Electric, or Fern Rock and terminating at Powelton Yard
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby Ken S. » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:58 pm

I'm confused already.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby Silverliner II » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:43 pm

Ken S. wrote:I'm confused already.


Train Numbers 101 is now in session...lol :-D

It's only taken me three days, but I think I nailed it down. Where are you lost?
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby dcipjr » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:57 am

I actually like the new system a lot. I only wish they'd print a quick-reference guide to the train numbers in the schedules. With the greater emphasis on train numbers now that the Rs are gone, some folks may actually want to know how to decode them.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby SilentCal » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:10 am

dcipjr wrote:I actually like the new system a lot. I only wish they'd print a quick-reference guide to the train numbers in the schedules. With the greater emphasis on train numbers now that the Rs are gone, some folks may actually want to know how to decode them.


I think that might end up being too much information for the casual user. Better to focus on departure times and destinations, which most people know already.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby cahjis » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:20 pm

So, as an example, train #3596 originates at Media or Elwyn, and goes to Doylestown. Is this correct (I'm assuming West Trenton is out of the mix since the train must go through center city)? Can you tell if it originated in either Media or Elwyn? Also, I know this train goes to Doylestown because I ride it, but can I tell if it is a Landsdale or Doylestown train just by the number?

Just curious.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby Matthew Mitchell » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:24 pm

cahjis wrote:So, as an example, train #3596 originates at Media or Elwyn, and goes to Doylestown. Is this correct?

Yep.
Can you tell if it originated in either Media or Elwyn?

Nope.
Also, I know this train goes to Doylestown because I ride it, but can I tell if it is a Landsdale or Doylestown train just by the number?

Nope. And they took away the numeric distinction between Bryn Mawr locals (0xx) and the rest of the Paoli line (5xx) too.
Just curious.

Good question.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby add2718 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:26 am

I find it interesting that the new train numbering scheme will make it easier to track certain consists during the day, because you will now be able to know where each train came from and where it's going. Under the old scheme, a train headed to Fox Chase for example from maybe Wilmington would just have the 48xx designation on the Fox Chase schedule. i.e. you couldn't tell where the train originated from just the Fox Chase schedule, you would have to do some searching. Now, assuming they don't cut any cars anywhere throughout the day (not a valid assumption, but let's just say for the sake of argument), you can tell where each set of cars goes during the day.

So all you 269 spotters, the new scheme seems to make your job a little easier... perhaps now you can predict where it will end up later in the day.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby Hal » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:07 pm

I'd been searching for this thread, finally found it~

Quick update on this-

It looks like Trains are now shown as originating at Temple University station with four digit "7xxx" numbers.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby amtrakhogger » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:51 pm

Formerly, 7xxx series trains originated/terminated at Suburban Station.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby ExCon90 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:04 pm

Previously trains originating or terminating at Temple were numbered 9xxx since they moved to or from Roberts; how are the 7xxx trains handled? Reversing at HUNT?
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby Silverliner II » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:02 pm

ExCon90 wrote:Previously trains originating or terminating at Temple were numbered 9xxx since they moved to or from Roberts; how are the 7xxx trains handled? Reversing at HUNT?


7xxx trains under the current numbering scheme would be originating at Chestnut Hill East, deadheading from the yard there to Temple U. The second digit would be the line the train terminates on.

Trains terminating at Temple that deadhead to CHE yard for midday storage would have x7xx series numbers.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby ExCon90 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:23 pm

Thanks.
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Re: New Regional Rail Train Numbering System

Postby Hal » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:54 pm

Thanks!

The Temple 7xxx trains are heading to Wilmington & Newark, and yep, they're are several with X7xx heading back.
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