Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby johnpbarlow » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:48 am

B&M 1227 wrote:hearing rumors of the ns office car train heading to ayer this friday... stay tuned!


Are NS execs bringing their check book? :wink:
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby GU1001 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:36 pm

Proof it’s on the move today credit to Timothy E. Pavlic:
http://www.railpictures.net/photo/666743/
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby scottychaos » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:41 pm

"Date of Photo" is wrong, its not 8/8, its actually 8/7.
It went around Horseshoe curve 8/7/2018.
comments in the photo are dated 8/7.

Today, 8/8, the train is sitting in Buffalo all day.
tomorrow, 8/9, it is scheduled to run from Buffalo to Binghamton.
Im not sure of the timeline after Binghamton.

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:29 pm

johnpbarlow wrote:
B&M 1227 wrote:hearing rumors of the ns office car train heading to ayer this friday... stay tuned!


Are NS execs bringing their check book? :wink:


Exactly my thought as well when I saw it was the whole train.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:03 pm

Apparently CSX has decided to partially bail out on upstate New York ... I'm guessing this will result in some significant bteaffic gains for NS/PAS.

Cut and paste not available for wrote but the short version of the story is that CSX wants everything pre-blocked (and likely isn't willing to adjust the joint rate).

CSX will be consolidating UMAX service at Worcester, MA.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby johnpbarlow » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:29 pm

And speaking of bailing out, rail fan buzz is that given PAS experienced another Erving / Farley area washout (no derailment fortunately) Wednesday night at some point, the Friday NS OCS run from Mechanicville to Ayer and return has been cancelled (some employees have confirmed the cancellation is my understanding). Revenue trains (eg 22K) did resume operating through Farley some time after sunrise today.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby newpylong » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:22 pm

gokeefe wrote:Apparently CSX has decided to partially bail out on upstate New York ... I'm guessing this will result in some significant bteaffic gains for NS/PAS.

Cut and paste not available for wrote but the short version of the story is that CSX wants everything pre-blocked (and likely isn't willing to adjust the joint rate).

CSX will be consolidating UMAX service at Worcester, MA.


Ah, "precision railroading" again. Would have thought with the passing of EHH they would have woken up. Though thats the difference between being run by a Hedge Fund and railroaders (NS).
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:35 pm

I'm a little surprised at this move. It seems extreme to me especially given that they are quitting on markets where shippers would have competitive alternatives.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:53 pm

Killing off 197 "routes" off of UP will force more Container traffic on the roads and overload the remaining Intermodal yards on CSX . :P
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby newpylong » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:18 pm

CSX has UMAX service in Worcester, Springfield, Syracuse, Buffalo, (a bunch on Ohio) and Chicago.

So if these lanes are really being dropped for this, NS stands to benefit from this if they can find the capacity.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:51 pm

This is total insanity. Dumping premium service customers and volume in a growing market.

I hope NS and Pan Am find a way to take it all.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby Dick H » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:33 am

The NS OCS turned at Mechanicville. Their checkbook must have been left in VA.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby johnpbarlow » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:07 am

gokeefe wrote:This is total insanity. Dumping premium service customers and volume in a growing market.

I hope NS and Pan Am find a way to take it all.


Per the Freightwaves article at the URL below, I don't think the detail of the change in UP-CSX intermodal terminal pairings are as draconian as the headlines suggest:

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/csx-up-intermodal-changes

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...In a customer notice sent last week, the line cut 197 of 301 origin-destination pairs provided through network interconnects between the two. Among the metro destinations affected are Baltimore, Charleston, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Portsmouth, Savannah, Nashville and Columbus....
...A CSX spokesperson says the changes were made in consultation with UP and that customers were notified well in advance of the changes. It said that many of the impacted lanes had very low volumes with 67 of them having zero freight last year....
...“Despite . . . bluster from shippers with respect to impending service disruptions, we believe actual implications are minimal, while being highly favorable for the efficiency of CSX's intermodal network,” Deutsche Bank said. The bank estimates up to one-third of the lanes being closed have no traffic at all, with the most dense lane having relatively small amounts of container traffic per day. ...” Moreover, there can be “incremental efficiencies to the carriers intermodal networks with traffic destined for Tennessee, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas now interchanging through Memphis versus Chicago prior, which we estimate reduces distance traveled by about 700 miles....”
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:56 am

I'm not going to put a lot of stock in the analysis of an investment bank. Especially not Deutsche Bank. I don't think the shipper issues are "bluster" at all. As they noted the timing is terrible and there are few if any truck alternatives right now.

CSX has just screwed some premium customers right as they are going into their annual peak season.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Postby CN9634 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:09 am

RR owned container fleets are known under performers, slow turn rates, high idling ect... the concept of those box fleets is to supplement the IMCs to help with cargoflow and surge capacity. The lanes CSX cut out are huge under performers as well... it makes no sense to offer services at a loss or break even for the sake of just offering the service. The strategy now of the Class Is is to let the IMCs pickup the slack and the RR becomes just the service provider for them (you'll see 20,000 new boxes this year from the IMCs, likely similar amounts next year).

As for NS, yes they'll pick up volumes in the Northeast (the Mechanicville and Taylor ramp locations are superior to CSX offerings at Syracuse) but first they have to expand Ayer (over capacity, the PS water volumes are filling over into the GMX lot now) and open up the tunnel.
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