Hudson Bay Line to Churchill/VIA Service Suspensions

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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby CHTT1 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:29 am

I don't think there is a policy to do away with the remote trains. What happened in British Columbia and Gaspe is that the short line freight railroad the train operated on failed due to a lack of business. There have been attempts to revive both lines, but so far without success. VIA isn't going to pay the full cost of operating these railroads, so no passenger trains.
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby electricron » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:10 pm

CHTT1 wrote:I don't think there is a policy to do away with the remote trains. What happened in British Columbia and Gaspe is that the short line freáeight railroad the train operated on failed due to a lack of business. There have been attempts to revive both lines, but so far without success. VIA isn't going to pay the full cost of operating these railroads, so no passenger trains.

Which appears to be the same failure scenario with the line to Churchill, a lack of freight (goods) business to keep it open.
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:50 pm

One could say that the community of Churchill is landlocked. They have no rail access, they have no highways, air costs "too much" for the populace, the maritime port is a "fizzle".

What on earth has the community to offer?

If wealthy Polar Bear hunters/watchers whatever want to go up there, pay what they must to fly in and what they must for lodging and their guides. Otherwise, the place is bust.

But something tells me the "Libby gang" holding power in Ottawa "don't exactly" see things that way.

Prediction: "Help is on the way".
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby NS VIA FAN » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:32 am

Churchill is no different than any other town across the north. Even if shipping from the port is gone....it is still a service community and requires access from the surrounding areas. It is expensive to live there but just the way of life in the north and if the Government has to subsidize travel and living expenses....so be it!

Iqaluit (pop 6,700)....

https://www.city.iqaluit.nu.ca/visitors/explore-iqaluit

.......is the capital city of Nunavut. It has no road or rail access. Just marine..... and a big new airport terminal:

http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/a ... beautiful/

And for the ‘Airfan’ out there.....this is the airport (formerly Frobisher Bay) where Airbus comes to do there cold weather testing (including the A380)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0QY6CbIXhw

Look at these airline route maps and the only way in/out for most is by air (Some do have marine access for short periods)

http://www.canadiannorth.com/sites/defa ... 3AUG17.pdf

https://firstair.ca/book/routemap/

I travel for work to a community along the Labrador coast and it is farther south than Churchill. Again, the only way in and out is by air or coastal boat (which was once operated by CN)

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p13121781
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:57 am

CHTT1 wrote:I don't think there is a policy to do away with the remote trains. What happened in British Columbia and Gaspe is that the short line freight railroad the train operated on failed due to a lack of business. There have been attempts to revive both lines, but so far without success. VIA isn't going to pay the full cost of operating these railroads, so no passenger trains.

At the 2013 VIA annual meeting, Vancouver Island local service was brought up at the public comment session (see question #31). VIA stated "We stated that we would resume service as soon as the track was brought back to safe operating standards and that is still our intent". Is this policy statement still the case five years later?
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby renf » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:46 pm

With global warming, will the port of Churchill eventually become a busy gateway for world wide shipping?
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby mtuandrew » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:55 pm

renf wrote:With global warming, will the port of Churchill eventually become a busy gateway for world wide shipping?

Not without a functional railroad! (Or a highway, or suitable land for development. Tough to build on soggy muskeg.) I’m still looking for most Canadian overseas-bound grain to go via Thunder Bay, Duluth, Vancouver, or Prince Rupert, even with higher seas.
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby mdvle » Fri May 04, 2018 2:37 pm

Possible movement in a new group buy the railway and getting it operating again

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/churchill-railway-buyers-manitoba-first-nations-1.4648133
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby Ken V » Wed May 30, 2018 10:17 pm

There's another tentative agreement for Omnitrax to sell the HBR to native groups.
The tracks have sat flood-damaged and idle for more than a year, but now a tentative deal has been struck to bring ownership of the Port of Churchill and the rail line to the northern Manitoba community on the shore of Hudson Bay back into Canadian hands.

Two groups representing northern communities and First Nations — One North and Missinippi Rail LP — joined forces with Fairfax Financial Holdings and now have an agreement in principle to buy the beleaguered assets from American company Omnitrax, the federal government announced Wednesday afternoon.

Full story at http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.4683786.
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby Rockingham Racer » Thu May 31, 2018 6:42 am

Might be worth starting another thread, and let this unpleasant saga die.
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Re: Hudson Bay Line to Churchill/VIA Service Suspensions

Postby mdvle » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:24 pm

The Canadian Transportation Agency has ruled against Omnitrax, giving them until July 3 to start repairs to the line and to provide monthly progress reports until the line reopens.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/churchill-railway-ruling-omnitrax-1.4707524
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Re: Hudson Bay Line to Churchill/VIA Service Suspensions

Postby Mark0f0 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:13 am

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatche ... -1.4737680

Looks like another 2 F40PH's are going to be written off.
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Re: Hudson Bay Line to Churchill/VIA Service Suspensions

Postby MACTRAXX » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:01 pm

Mark: From the looks of the CBC photograph not likely...This will depend on any internal damages
in particular either one of these F40s sustained in this derailment. Sometimes outside appearances
though can be deceiving knowing that is what is inside actually counts the most...

More than likely these two F40s will be out of service upon recovery for a substantial time period.
This is the type of wreck rebuilding Diesel shop crews earn their reputations for correcting.

I have been following the Hudson Bay Line to Churchill topic and agree that it is disappointing for
starters the problems that have been experienced here in any service restoration attempt.

This may take direct Manitoba provincial or Canada Government control to save this route.
Can this be a possibility for what is primarily a First Nations community-based service?

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