DMM, G&W and R&S history and all time rosters.

[scottychaos]

Well..I thought I was done with these roster webpages!
We (all of us! not just me) have created the LV, EL, PRR/NYC/PC, Susquehanna, and "NY Alcos" rosters:

http://gold.mylargescale.com/scottychaos/

many others have already been made by others,
D&H, RDG, Conrail, etc..
I just picked up the new South Buffalo book, its great!
and has an all-time SB roster.

but I realized another is still needed!
I have never seen an all-time roster for the Genesee & Wyoming, Rochester & Southern, and Dansville & Mount Morris.
so..time to build another one!

(has there ever been a book with any G&W info?? I have never heard of one)

I started putting a page together today..its very rough, but here is what I have so far:

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/GW/index.html

I originally intended it to be G&W only..but then I thought it made sense to also include the DMM and R&S, since they are very closely related systems.

I will modify it so that the main focus shows R&S and DMM as well..

anyone have any data to add?
or know where more roster data can be found?

thanks!
Scot

[Matt Langworthy]

Scot, is DMM's 2-6-0 #12 the same engine as DL&W #565?

Also, G&W had a 3rd C-424m (#61) which was wrecked during the '80s. She was ex-D&H and ex-EL like #62 and #63.

[jr]

Scot,

G&W 44 now resides at R&GVRRM, Industry, painted as Eastman Kodak 9.

JR

[Matt Langworthy]

According to American Shortline Railway Guide, there was also a GP-9 #879 on the roster in the early '90s. I have no other information on her, though.

[scottychaos]

wow..quick responses..thanks! keep 'em coming!

According to American Shortline Railway Guide, there was also a GP-9 #879 on the roster in the early '90s. I have no other information on her, though.

hmm..there is currently a R&S GP9 #879:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=50781

probably the same unit..
nice looking engine!
which I have NEVER seen in Rochester!
anyone know where 879 is these days?

Scot

[conrail6479]

R&S has:
102,104,106 GP40
807 road slug
879 GP9-3
3807 GP40-3
???? GP40-3


G&W 45 & 46 MP15DC, 50-51 GP38, 1000-1002 SW1001

[jr]

Some past G&W diesels:

20, 21, & 22 were 80-ton GE centercabs, all sold off in the 1960s.

35 & 36 were both S-4s. 35 was allegedly the second-to-last S4 built.

C&WI 262 (RS-1) sat at Retsof for years, being slowly cannibalized for parts. As far as I know, it never ran for G&W. It was finally scrapped circa 1990.

Approx 1990 they bought two Port Huron & Detroit S-2s. I believe the numbers were 61 & 62 (or possibly 60 & 61). Were (apparently) never painted for G&W. Don't know whether they were ever used by G&W.

JR

[BSOR Patarak]

Here is a bit of early steam info. One of the G&W locomotives ended up on the Arcade & Attica.

4-6-0 Baldwin C/N 14018, built 1894; 19x24 Cyls; 54" drivers;

Built for Buffalo & Susquehanna #104; (it went through several renumberings with the B&S 101 to 107 to 124; unsure of exact renumberings);
then to Wellsville & Buffalo #104 in 2/1915;
to Genesee & Wyoming as #14 in 1917;
to General Equipment Company #0;
to Arcade and Attica #4 in 1922;
repairs were made in 1924; scrap date unknown; though did get cut up at Arcade

[Matt Langworthy]

35 & 36 were both S-4s. 35 was allegedly the second-to-last S4 built.

Both of those engines now reside on OMID. To avoid confusion with OMID's RS-11 #36, the latter S-4 was renumbered 3 and painted in a Nascar style (i.e. Dale Ernhardt's car).

[sallenparks]

Scotty the Bicentennial units where S4 36(1776) and RS1 30(1976). SW1001's 1000&1001 seem to be the regular pair at Hamptons Corners(salt mine)sometimes a GP9 or one of the other SW1001's fills in I've seen 1002 their once.Hope some of this helps.

[sallenparks]

Scotty the Bicentennial units where S4 36(1776) and RS1 30(1976). SW1001's 1000&1001 seem to be the regular pair at Hamptons Corners(salt mine)sometimes a GP9 or one of the other SW1001's fills in I've seen 1002 their once.Hope some of this helps.

[scottychaos]

thanks for the additional roster info everyone!
the page is being worked on (no new update uploaded yet)

does anyone have the date for when the DMM took over the former DL&W mainline between Groveland staion and Mount Morris?
and when the G&W took over the DL&W between Greigsville and Mount Morris?

did EL give up this trackage all at the same time?
or did DMM and G&W take over the two routes at different times?
(was any of it ever Conrail?? I dont think so, but im not sure)

thanks,
Scot

[sallenparks]

Scotty the shortline book I have states that the Groveland to Greigsville line was acquired from Conrail in June of 1982.I don't have the Dansville line acquire date just says GWI got the Dansville and Mount Morris July 23 1985.

[scottychaos]

Scotty the shortline book I have states that the Groveland to Greigsville line was acquired from Conrail in June of 1982.I don't have the Dansville line acquire date just says GWI got the Dansville and Mount Morris July 23 1985.

Thanks SP,
I also found similar dates on another webpage..

I think I may have been wrong about something for quite awhile!
(and if I am wrong, no one else has known either, because no one has ever corrected my maps! )
such as:

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... uthern.gif


1. Fact - the DMM originally ran on its own mainline between Dansville and Mount Morris. (no doubts about that..its true)

2. Fact - DMM then abandoned its own line from Groveland to MM, then only interchanged with the DL&W at Groveland. (also 100% correct)

THEN..the uncertain bits..

3. uncertain bit - some years later, the DMM took over the DL&W mainline between Groveland and Mount Morris. RE-establishing the DMM between Dansville and MM. (except on a different bit of track between Groveland and MM the second time around)

4. FACT -the G&W took over the DL&W mainline between Greigsville and MM, (uncertain bit) stopping at MM.

5. uncertain bit - the G&W and the DMM met at Mount Morris.

its points 3, 4,and 5 above that might not be correct..im not sure.

instead, it might have been the G&W that took over the entire DL&W mainline from Greigsville, through and past Mount Morris, all the way to Groveland, (in 1982)..took it over from Conrail. and the DMM itself never extended to Mount Morris on the DL&W mainline..

I have always believed 3, 4 and 5, but now im not certain.

anyone have any sources to clear this up??

thanks,
Scot

[scottychaos]

update!

The DMM section is complete:

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/GW/index.html

still have the G&W and R&S sections to do.

im still not totally certain on who owned the former DL&W between Mount Morris and Groveland, if it was:

DL&W-EL-CR-G&W-R&S
or
DL&W-EL-CR-DMM-G&W-R&S

but I think the way I have it listed (DL&W-EL-CR-G&W-R&S) is correct.

as always, comments and corrections are welcome.

thanks,
Scot