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DL&W Mount Morris station.

Postby scottychaos » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:34 pm

While out (unsucessfully) looking for LAL 430 the other day, I finally took the opportunity to drive over and check out the Mount Morris station.
I have seen it many times while driving into MM from 390..just never drove over to it yet!
It is in pretty good shape, considering..
Genesee & Wyoming salt trains still run by it. A rare New York State stretch of active DL&W mainline begins immediately west of the station.


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looking compass north, railroad west.
Genesee & Wyoming uses the DL&W mainline from this point westward to haul salt trains from the new Mount Morris salt mine.

DL&W rails are in place between Groveland Station yard and Greigsville, near Retsof.
From Groveland Station yard north (Railroad West) the DL&W rails are in place to Mount Morris and through to Greigsville..Between Groveland and Mount Morris is part of the old Dansville & Mount Morris Railroad..currently OOS but may revive depending on what happens with the Foster-Wheeler plant in Dansville.

From Mount Morris North (railroad West) to Greigsville,The G&W currently operates over DL&W rails to Greigsville, where G&W trains join the ancestral G&W rails for Retsof and north to P&L junction and the interchange with the R&S.

The DL&W tracks are torn up between Groveland Station east to Wayland.
and from Greigsville West to Batavia.

A new spur was built, in 1999, from the location of the Mount Morris station over to the new Salt mine along route 390.
(its the big Salt mine complex at the Mount Morris exit of Route 390)
This new mine and spur were built after the Retsof mine collapse in March 1994 rendered the original mine unusable.


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looking Railroad East, compass South.
the new spur to the mine curves off the the left.
the original DL&W mainline, now the DMM, operated by the G&W, continues south past the station to Groveland station and Dansville..this trackage is currently OOS.

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notice the assemtrical roof overhang!
I have never seen that on another station before.
there is a bay window on both sides, so there is no obvious need for the roof to overhang so much further on the "track side".
perhaps for overhead protection for passengers?

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Looking East..toward route 390.
you can see the new salt mine off in the distance.

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Postby rls62 » Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:38 am

Nice photos, Scot. I'm amazed at the good condition of this building, too, since it probably hasn't seen a passenger train since 1960, and I assume has remained vacant for the past 45 years. It's one of my favorites and I've always hoped it would find a new use.
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Postby Otto Vondrak » Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:45 am

Who owns it?

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Postby calorosome » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:13 pm

I scouted the new spur when it was under construction. Saw the station, it is in remarkable condition. If you scouted the main line further west, you'll find a bridge with sections of the the eastbound girders missing. They scavenged these sections for the spur to cross the creek.

I was told that the DL&W Cohocton station still exists, was moved and is now an antique store. Someone gave me directions but I was unable to find it. The Erie station is still in Cohocton.

If you travel on 415 east of Bath, you'll find an old DL&W pagoda station, it was moved there from its original location which is unknown (it's too small to accomodate business at a place the size of Bath). There's an Erie freight station still in Savona.

Quite a few stations still exist along the DL&W mainline. Painted Post (pagoda), Corning (brick), there's a few on 36 and 20a west of Dansville.
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Postby johnpbarlow » Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:01 am

Add to the list of extant DL&W stations that are in pretty good physical shape and still in use: Apalachin, Vestal (part of the town library?), Binghamton, and Scranton. There's probably a URL listing all of them somewhere.
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Re: DL&W Mount Morris station.

Postby dj_paige » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:02 pm

scottychaos wrote:DL&W rails are in place between Groveland Station yard and Wadsworth, near Retsof.
From Groveland Station yard north (Railroad West) the DL&W rails are in place to Mount Morris and through to Wadsworth..Between Groveland and Mount Morris is part of the old Dansville & Mount Morris Railroad..currently OOS but may revive depending on what happens with the Foster-Wheeler plant in Dansville.


Wadsworth? Do you mean Greigsville?

Wadsworth was where the Lehigh Valley and Pennsylvania RR crossed. Or is there some other Wadsworth?

Why are the tracks OOS and what would it take to put them back into service?
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Postby clearblock » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:55 pm

Wadsworth, NY is just S of Greigsville and is indeed the present end of the former DL&W Groveland line. The tracks have been removed between Wadsworth and Alexander. All that is left now on the W end is the NS Groveland Industrial Track from the S. Tier line at Attica to a dead end at Alexander.

The LVRR station name "Wadsworth" is a totally different location.

The Mt Morris to Dansville part of the G&W was taken out of service due to no customers. As Scottychaos mentioned, it is possible that it could be put back in service for new businesses that are supposed to move into the former Foster Wheeler plant that may want rail service.
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Postby nessman » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:57 pm

Wadsworth is a Hamlet in the Town of York 1/2 mile south of the hamlet of Griegsville - it's situated at Rt 36 and Chandler Road.

Wadsworth Jct is where the LV and the PRR Rochester Branch met.

I don't think the D&MM is really OOS, but pretty much inactive due to the lack of traffic in Dansville.
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Re: DL&W Mount Morris station.

Postby scottychaos » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:58 pm

dj_paige wrote:
scottychaos wrote:DL&W rails are in place between Groveland Station yard and Wadsworth, near Retsof.
From Groveland Station yard north (Railroad West) the DL&W rails are in place to Mount Morris and through to Wadsworth..Between Groveland and Mount Morris is part of the old Dansville & Mount Morris Railroad..currently OOS but may revive depending on what happens with the Foster-Wheeler plant in Dansville.


Wadsworth? Do you mean Greigsville?

Wadsworth was where the Lehigh Valley and Pennsylvania RR crossed. Or is there some other Wadsworth?

Why are the tracks OOS and what would it take to put them back into service?


im saying Wadsworth because thats where the original G&W meets the DL&W..according multiple online maps..
just south of the route 36/route 63 crossing.
about a mile SW of Retsof.
thats why I picked Wadsworth..because I looked it up on maps..

I just looked up some more..here is the 1951 topo:
http://docs.unh.edu/NY/cale51sw.jpg

looks like it was called Greigsville by the railroads..although technically the junction is much closer to Wadsworth than Greigsville..
so yes, I meant Greigsville! :wink:
Greigsville is the name in "Railroad lingo"..
I will edit my original post..

and yes, it appears the crossing of the LV and PRR was called "Wadsworth junction"...which is odd since the little town of Wadsworth is a solid 15 miles away from that junction..
While Wadsworth is a few feet from the junction of the DL&W and the G&W..
can anone explain that??

the DMM is OOS between Mount Morris and Dansville only because there are no customers on the line. If a new company re-opens the Foster-Wheeler facility that *might* result in the resumption of rail service for the line..
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Postby dj_paige » Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:24 pm

Thanks to everyone for clearing up the location of Wadsworth/Greigsville.

So why is the LV/PRR junction called Wadsworth Junction?
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Postby WNYRailfan » Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:38 pm

If there is any interest, I could post some of the DL&W depot pictures from 2003 when I took a trip down the line from Leicster to Corning.
Thanks.

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Postby nydepot » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:46 am

The LV/PRR junction was called Wadsworth Jct on the PRR and Wadsworth on the LV. It got its name from the LV who purchased the land from the Wadsworth family when the interchange was installed. First the PRR went through and there was nothing there (no name), then the LV went through and it still had no name and then the interchange was built and land needed to be purchaed for it all and Wadsworth was created.

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Postby chnaus » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:40 pm

Scot, look at that map again. The map makers
have labeled it Greigsville Sta. That is what it
was known as locally,although,the 1909 DL&W tt
has it as only Greigsville.
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Postby rls62 » Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:40 am

WNYRailfan wrote:
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If there is any interest, I could post some of the DL&W depot pictures from 2003 when I took a trip down the line from Leicster to Corning.

Yes, WNYRailfan, please post your photos! The DL&W built some attractive stations, including the one at Leicester. I'm searching the internet for photos from a July 1962 railfan trip along the DL&W from about Mt. Morris to somewhere near Binghamton. It was sponsored by the NRHS chapter out of Waverly or Owego or somewhere in that vicinity. Lots of good shots of rails and buildings that are long gone, like the station above Dansville. When I find it, I'll create a post with a link
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