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Ex-CNJ 4100-4112

Postby njt4172 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:13 pm

Will someone on these lists who either works for NJT or who railfans NJT regularly tell us if the majority of these diesels are still in service on passenger trains? With 7-8 PL42s on the property, I am afraid NJT will be starting to take these beloved 1968 workhorses off the roster...engine assignments and train # would be highly appreciated at the present time.

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Postby Njt4300 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:17 pm

The last time I checked all of the 4100 series locomotives are still in service.
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Re: ex CNJ 4100-4112

Postby n01jd1 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:51 pm

njt4172 wrote:Will someone on these lists who either works for NJT or who railfans NJT regularly tell us if the majority of these diesels are still in service on passenger trains? With 7-8 PL42s on the property, I am afraid NJT will be starting to take these beloved 1968 workhorses off the roster
If I am not mistaken, 4100-4112 were rebuilt in Juniata Shops with the 4200's. The engines that will be the first to go are 4130-4144, the warthogs.
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Postby sullivan1985 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:30 pm

The CNJ units still have a few years if not more on NJT. All of them are regularly running trains on the Hoboken Division every day. It's the FH's that will go under the saw before anything else.
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Postby 7 Train » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:01 am

I LOVE the GP40-FHs! Why do they have to go first? They are one-of-a-kind, a hybrid of a GP40 and a F-unit. They were specially custom built for NJT and Metro-North and I love their unique shape (GP40 front profile, looks like a F40PH in the rear). Some should be saved or turned into work motors, as they are unique.
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Postby sullivan1985 » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:25 am

7 Train wrote:I LOVE the GP40-FHs! Why do they have to go first? They are one-of-a-kind, a hybrid of a GP40 and a F-unit. They were specially custom built for NJT and Metro-North and I love their unique shape (GP40 front profile, looks like a F40PH in the rear). Some should be saved or turned into work motors, as they are unique.


From what engineers I talk to say, they have poor acceleration & they are very problematic. I believe on a few of them the HEP's have been failing too.
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Postby steemtrayn » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:18 am

sullivan1985 wrote:
7 Train wrote:I LOVE the GP40-FHs! Why do they have to go first? They are one-of-a-kind, a hybrid of a GP40 and a F-unit. They were specially custom built for NJT and Metro-North and I love their unique shape (GP40 front profile, looks like a F40PH in the rear). Some should be saved or turned into work motors, as they are unique.


From what engineers I talk to say, they have poor acceleration & they are very problematic. I believe on a few of them the HEP's have been failing too.


Why can't they be made to perform just like any other Geep? Don't they have the same engines generators and traction motors? Does the body style have anything to do with it?
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Postby thebigc » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:50 am

7 Train wrote:Some should be saved or turned into work motors, as they are unique.


Not practical for work service due to the cowl hood but I bet they'd be excellent barrier reef fodder! :-D
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Postby nick11a » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:10 am

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7 Train wrote:Some should be saved or turned into work motors, as they are unique.


Not practical for work service due to the cowl hood but I bet they'd be excellent barrier reef fodder! :-D


I'd tend to agree with you on that one C. :-)
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Postby NJRail4129 » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:16 am

The ex-CNJ geeps are all in service, with a number of them in work service. I've seen the 4108 and the 4106 from the good ole' PATH the past few days in Newark. I think one of them may be assigned to the leave removal detail. In general those units are pretty reliable, or at least much more so then the GP40FH-2's. Most likely the 4200 series order and the 4145 order will stay in service. They are in good condition. Also anyone know if they need a few of the CNJ geeps (I think they are the only ones besides the MN units and the L42's) with SES for the PVL?
And what about the MN FH-2's, I would imagine they will stay in the HOB pool service.


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Postby Jtgshu » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:33 am

the FH'S were built around 1987 to replace the last of the E units. AFAIK, the were never majorly overhauled since they were built 19 years ago. They are tired and cranky, and they deserve to be too....

..they need to be put out of their misery!
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Postby TR-00 » Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:16 am

The 4200's in good condition? That's the best laugh I've had in a long time. What used to be a well maintained fleet, has become a collection of parts flying in close formation. The failures and road breakdowns are becoming legion, and the toughest weather of the year hasn't even hit yet.

Blown turbos, non-firing cylinders, shorted traction motors, automatic brake failures, water leaks, high oil consumption, not to mention the plethora of flat wheels, and on and on it goes.

Even a paint job would help. Not to please the railbuffs, but to keep the sheetmetal from rusting through. These used to be good dependable motors, but are now rapidly becoming junk due to neglect.
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Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:40 am

This happens to any railroad , once MofE sees new engines comming they forget to maintain the old once., resulting in old once turning to junk in no time.
This leaves railroad only one option, to scrap instead of sale to others.
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Postby CNJGeep » Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:46 am

they have poor acceleration
RUBBISH!!!
P.S. CNJGeep, my username, comes from 4100-4112, so I'm in no hurry to see them go.
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Postby njt4172 » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:04 pm

Well, thanks for all the answers guys.......Now hopefully I can railfan Ridgewood one of these days and see a handful pass by.....

And for all you GP40FH-2 lovers, the Metro-North ones are not going anywhere! They will be overhauled, but will remain in the Metro-North pool out of Hoboken, NJ for the foreseable future.


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