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Brightline Expansion - Tampa

Postby SlowLayne » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:30 pm

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politic ... d-orlando/

State officials will consider private bids to build a high-speed rail link between Tampa and Orlando, reviving a dormant project to link the two cities, Gov. Rick Scott announced Friday.

Brightline, the high-speed rail linking Miami and West Palm Beach with hopes of reaching Orlando, said it has put it in a bid to build track along I-4, leasing land owned by the state and the Central Florida Expressway Authority.
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Re: Brightline fka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Arlington » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:03 pm

Brightline submits sole proposal to launch Tampa to Orlando passenger rail service (Tampa Bay Times)
TAMPA — State transportation officials on Wednesday received one proposal to run an intercity passenger train from Orlando to Tampa, and it came from Brightline, the company that proposed creating the route in the first place....
The Florida Department of Transportation has named a three-member technical review committee to determine whether Brightline’s proposal meets the requirements the agency outlined in its request for proposals on June 22.

Their recommendation will go to a selection committee of high-ranking transportation officials, who are scheduled to make a decision on Nov. 28.


Other Tampa Bay Times articles on Brightline:
August 24th : Brightline’s combination of rail and development in Miami makes believers of Tampa leaders
August 4th: High-speed rail firm scouting land for station and development around proposed Rays ballpark site
(and various links and lists therein about potential Tampa station sites:

The Tampa Park Apartments (0.2mi due north of Tampa Union Station) owned by a nonprofit group led by Florida Sentinel Bulletin newspaper publisher S. Kay Andrews. The future of the complex has been thrown into doubt after it this summer failed its fourth inspection in four years. As a result, some renters are being moved to Section 8 housing, and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development plans to withdraw rent subsidies for more than half the units.

• Cleared (former jail) site at 1301 N Morgan Street has already had two brief flirtations with rail. It was considered a potential station site for a cross-bay rail network between Tampa and St. Petersburg that state officials briefly floated in 2007. That happened again in 2010 when City of Tampa officials talked about a high-speed rail system between Tampa, Lakeland and Orlando that would be completed by 2015. It is owned by the Florida Department of Transportation.

• Tampa Union Station was originally built in 1912 to serve the Atlantic Coast Line, the Seaboard Air Line and the Tampa Northern Railroad. It was restored and reopened in 1998. It is served by Amtrak’s Silver Service between New York and Miami. It is owned by the city of Tampa.

• The 7.6-acre Gas Worx property near the proposed Rays stadium (and 0.2mi compass Northeast of Tampa Union Station) The Rays want a parking garage built there for their new ballpark, but GasWorx owner Darryl Shaw has said there may be space for other development, too. http://www.phillipsdevelopment.com/port ... /gas-worx/
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Re: Brightline Expansion - Tampa

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:20 pm

Another source, although the article is "thin" so I won't quote: http://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/tran ... o-fdot-bid
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Re: Brightline Expansion - Tampa

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:22 pm

Somewhat older, concerning the route: http://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news ... ampa-route

...State Sen. Linda Stewart (D-Orlando) says any future high-speed expansion is expected to originate at Orlando International Airport's new intermodal terminal.

Service to Tampa will then likely run parallel to either State Road 528 or State Road 417 as connectors to Interstate 4.
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Stewart says a new study will have to be conducted to determine the feasibility of high-speed travel for the route and which method works, pointing to various environmental challenges along the I-4 corridor.

"In certain areas where we can't be on the ground, we're going to have to bridge over, where there are rivers or streams or lakes, so there's a lot to consider before we move forward," Stewart said.

Additionally, Stewart says some past right-of-way options no longer exist, and there is no determination of where in Tampa a station could be built.
...


This may have been superseded.
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Re: Brightline Expansion - Tampa

Postby Arlington » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:28 pm

Is there some place where Brightline or the state of Florida would publish Brightline's submission?

Or is there perhaps a PR or PowerPoint summary that brightline made, such as a presentation it would have given to Tampa audiences?
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Re: Brightline Expansion - Tampa

Postby Bonevalleyrailfan » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:55 pm

Attached is the unsolicited Brightline proposal from March 2018. The rules of the RFP do not allow for the solicited proposal from yesterday to be released publicly until 72 hours after the selection committee meets on November 28. So that will mean Monday December 3rd is the earliest it will be available for request. I suspect the latest proposal won't differ much from the unsolicited one, except to fit the format of the RFP and maybe define the Tampa station sites better.

I believe the unsolicited proposal is still on the FDOT website at this time.
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Re: Brightline Expansion - Tampa

Postby Arlington » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:03 pm

Thanks! I was hoping for a map 😀
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Re: Brightline Expansion - Tampa

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Re: Brightline Expansion - Tampa

Postby Arlington » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:50 pm

^ thanks but I was hoping to see a map that showed the high-speed rail reservations in addition to the existing rail rights-of-way in the state.
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Re: Brightline Expansion - Tampa

Postby Arlington » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:00 pm

This is what I was looking for, from FDOT's January 2010 statewide rail plan
Investment Element of the 2010 Florida Rail System Plan, Chapter 3 Passenger Rail
We find Figure 3.11, which shows the HSR alignment exiting the MCO South Terminal on the south side, which sort of completes the picture that:
Miami-MCO will run along the 528 Beach LIne and enter the MCO South Terminal from the north side
MCO-Tampa will run along I-4, but get their by exiting the MCO South Terminal on its south side
(see attachment in the post above)
So the Brightline path from Miami to Tampa actually involves "overshooting" the airport (to its northside) before "back tracking" through the airport and exiting on the south, and then "back north again" to get to the convention center. It kind of says that if they were building the Rail as its "own thing" you'd have put it across the north edge of the airport and not had all this up-down-up-down (literally) as one goes Convention Center (a "northside) - MCO south Terminal (a "southside") - MCO/Beachline (a "northside") - Brightline Phase 1 (a "southside")

In the 2010 plan there were 5 station between MCO and Tampa:
MCO Airport South Terminal
Orlando Convention Center
Disney
"midway" station in Polk/Lakeland
Tampa Downtown
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