Old highway R.R. crossing, Kearny Meadows, NJ

Discussion related to New Jersey Transit rail and light rail operations.

Moderators: Tadman, Kaback9, nick11a, ACeInTheHole

Old highway R.R. crossing, Kearny Meadows, NJ

Postby Jamskeeter » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:10 am

Please help...II’m trying to find the current location of a grade crossing called Sandford’s crossing in Kearny N.J. my great great grandfather was a gateman for the old Delaware lackawanna western back in 1913 to at least 1920. According to the census they lived on sandford’s crossings as well. The grade crossing “sandford’s crossing Morristown branch” was eliminated in 1922. Reading on its history the crossing was located where Newark turnpike crosses the d.l.w.r.r in Kearny N.J. that area has been redeveloped a few times since the 20s and I can’t find any old photos of the crossings before the 20s. Public service did allow for a trestle for the street cars to be built over that crossing. From pictures I have of my great great grandmother it looks like they lived in the current Amtrak Hudson interlocking station which was erected by p.r.r in 1911. Unless there was an identical tower east that has been torn down. If I could find some old maps or pictures of that crossing from before the 20s I would be so grateful. . I did come across a forum where someone stated the MMC moved the crossings but I thought it was eliminated before The state took over.
Jamskeeter
 
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:10 am

Re: Old highway R.R. crossing, Kearny Meadows, NJ

Postby Ken W2KB » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:57 pm

Jamskeeter wrote:Please help...II’m trying to find the current location of a grade crossing called Sandford’s crossing in Kearny N.J. my great great grandfather was a gateman for the old Delaware lackawanna western back in 1913 to at least 1920. According to the census they lived on sandford’s crossings as well. The grade crossing “sandford’s crossing Morristown branch” was eliminated in 1922. Reading on its history the crossing was located where Newark turnpike crosses the d.l.w.r.r in Kearny N.J. that area has been redeveloped a few times since the 20s and I can’t find any old photos of the crossings before the 20s. Public service did allow for a trestle for the street cars to be built over that crossing. From pictures I have of my great great grandmother it looks like they lived in the current Amtrak Hudson interlocking station which was erected by p.r.r in 1911. Unless there was an identical tower east that has been torn down. If I could find some old maps or pictures of that crossing from before the 20s I would be so grateful. . I did come across a forum where someone stated the MMC moved the crossings but I thought it was eliminated before The state took over.


I don't have any source for old maps, etc., but what is somewhat confusing or coincidental is that there is a Sandford Avenue in the western part of Kearny that runs from the north in a more or less southerly direction where it presently ends not far north of I-280. If one were to take a ruler and extend that Sandford Avenue south it would cross the DL&W close to the former Manhattan Transfer Station interlocking tower that you reference. There is a rail line that diverges from the DL&W and leads north, I believe that it may have interchanged with the Erie further north and/or served freight customers along it in Kearny and North Arlington. Perhaps Sandford Avenue crossed trackage that then was part of this line and that is the true location? PS Railway did have a line that ran west from Jersey City along the Newark Turnpike so the bridge much further to the east over the DL&W makes sense. Quite a mystery to solve.
~Ken :: Fairmont ex-UP/MP C436 MT-14M1 ::
Black River Railroad Historical Trust :: [/url]
User avatar
Ken W2KB
 
Posts: 5704
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:27 pm
Location: Lebanon Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey & Tiverton, RI USA

Re: Old highway R.R. crossing, Kearny Meadows, NJ

Postby Jamskeeter » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:04 am

Thank you so much for your reply! I have been researching this for over six months and I also believe it was next to the interlocking tower. I did come accross a photo of the crossing in 1922 that threw me off. It’s strange because it def looks like that area but there is an over pass in the pic I can’t explain with a trolly overpass behind. At first I thought it was the N.J. turnpike but that wasn’t built until the late 40s. it Sort of looks like Belleville turnpike. There is a building and a signal bridge. If you have time and google “Sandford’s crossing all signals clear” the book railway age volume 73 should come up. Please let me know your thoughts. and it describes the crossing. Please let me know if you need me to send the pic another way. Thank you so much
Jamskeeter
 
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:10 am

Re: Old highway R.R. crossing, Kearny Meadows, NJ

Postby R&DB » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:41 am

Take a look at 'Historic Aerials' 1931 image and topographic maps for the period around 1908 - 1930. I see two possible locations: 1> The south end of Sandford Ave. probably had a crossing to access Hudson Tower or; 2> The point where the Newark Turnpike and DLW crossed. Sandford was probably the person the crossing and the Avenue were named after and were not necessarily in the same location. Many railroad locations were named for the resident of a nearby house, so Sandford's Crossing was most likely derived this way and Sandford Ave. later named to commemorate that individual. I have found several cases of this in my research of the CNJ Southern Division, which is now Conrail's Southern Secondary. (ie: Hendrickson's, Whitings, Harris)
Harry
User avatar
R&DB
 
Posts: 482
Joined: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:55 pm
Location: Sou.Sec. MP 53.6

Re: Old Kearny

Postby timz » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:19 pm

If you're searching, try searching for Sanford's -- I'm guessing that's the spelling.
timz
 
Posts: 1713
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:04 pm
Location: Oakland CA

Re: Old highway R.R. crossing, Kearny Meadows, NJ

Postby R&DB » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:48 am

To the moderators:
You might want to combine this thread with the one in the New Jersey Railfan thread.
Harry
User avatar
R&DB
 
Posts: 482
Joined: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:55 pm
Location: Sou.Sec. MP 53.6

Re: Old highway R.R. crossing, Kearny Meadows, NJ

Postby pumpers » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:42 pm

R&DB wrote:To the moderators:
You might want to combine this thread with the one in the New Jersey Railfan thread.

About a week ago I posted links to some ~100 year-old photos of the building of the first bridge at Sanford's crossing over on the NJ Railfan thread:
viewtopic.php?f=127&t=168017#p1481986
JS
pumpers
 
Posts: 1952
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:56 pm


Return to New Jersey Transit NJT Rail and Light Rail LRT

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests