NYS&W Bridge partially collapses in Syracuse

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NYS&W Bridge partially collapses in Syracuse

Postby lvrr325 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:14 pm

The concrete side panels fell off two segments of the former DL&W elevated line in downtown Syracuse, near South Clinton and West Onondaga streets. It took out a traffic light in the process.

I believe this article is in error, this portion of the line is owned by the county.


https://cnycentral.com/news/local/crews ... n-syracuse


The only other question is will the line closure result in any trains being detoured? They certainly could send some traffic up/down the Utica side, although it would be much slower.
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Re: NYS&W Bridge partially collapses in Syracuse

Postby Matt Langworthy » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:12 am

NYSW owns the tracks. A common misconception arises from PILOT programs regarding leasing vs owning the property in question. The property owner leases the land (in this case a RR ROW) to the county at the same rate as the property tax. The county IDA then leases the land to the RR at a lower rate, effectively creating a tax break. The RR doesn't file with the STB because the county is not a common carrier, but the county must file paperwork because it is leasing the property to a common carrier. It's complicated, but the RR still owns the track. I learned how this process works from Mike Smith at FGLK, which also has a PILOT program.
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Re: NYS&W Bridge partially collapses in Syracuse

Postby Matt Langworthy » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:29 am

With that being said, I think NYSW has a PILOT program, but am not 100% sure.
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Re: NYS&W Bridge partially collapses in Syracuse

Postby lvrr325 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:40 pm

You're forgetting how this even came about. After losing his bid for the D&H, Walter Rich wanted to punish CP Rail by taking his trains off the Tier where they would handle them between Binghamton and Buffalo. The trains were coming to Buffalo on NS or Conrail then anyways, so running them to Syracuse instead was not a big deal.

But Conrail did not want to sell the former DL&W from CP-293 down to Jamesville, even though at that point they only went past Geddes St. like twice a month.

So they came up with the whole Ontrack deal and convinced the county to take it through eminent domain. It was set up as a subsidiary SB&NY RR (after a DL&W predecessor).

It's possible the NYS&W owns the physical trackage, have read that's how he set it up on other parts of the northern division, but I do not believe the railroad owns the property. Eminent Domain is not supposed to take property from one company just to sell it to another. Leaving it in County hands solves the tax problem, too.

Some questioned the discontinuance of the shuttle, as that was part of the deal to use the line was to operate it, but nobody was really relying on it so no fuss came from it. It served it's purpose.
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Re: NYS&W Bridge partially collapses in Syracuse

Postby nessman » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:17 pm

Structural failure...
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Re: NYS&W Bridge partially collapses in Syracuse

Postby lvrr325 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:37 pm

I see the latest is they're blaming it on the high heat. lol.

CNY Central has a video of the collapse, too.
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